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Old 11-27-2014, 03:33 AM   #1
George S. Ledyard
 
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Dojo Cho - New Scam

So, to all of you with dojos. I got an email saying this:

"This James Williams, How is work today, am hearing impaired, i will like to know if you are available for Martial Art training and exercise services and do you accept credit card for payment kindly get back to me as soon as possible."

I followed up and got this:

"Thanks for the prompt response, Am not around at the moment, Am out of the city for business purpose but i have a driver that will bring them in after i have sorted out the bills and all other necessary things with you, I want to make an appointment for Martial art training exercise service for my family.I want you to get back to me with the total estimate for 2 month private training for 5 people 3(Female) aged (15, 17 and 21)and 2(Male) aged (16 and 20) for 2 months 2hr daily 3 times a week, like i said earlier that they will be coming with a private transportation driver for the service. I will be expecting your reply with the total cost and your full name,address and direction for the private transport to locate your place when they are coming for the service."

Today I got this email:

"Good Day,
My name is Joe, do you teach Martial Arts and Full Body Exercises? I will like to Enroll my Family in your school. Please get back to me via email ASAP. Also do you accept credit cards as a mode of payment?
Please email me back if you do.
Regards,
Joe."

So, now I have had the same message requesting private lessons under tow different names and two different emails. If you get one like this, it is a scam, not sure how it works, but it is clearly bogus. So steer clear.

George S. Ledyard
Aikido Eastside
Bellevue, WA
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Old 11-27-2014, 06:13 AM   #2
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Re: Dojo Cho - New Scam

Hi George

This sounds rather similar to the many emails I received when news of the ` Kenshiro Abbe Sensei Memorial Event ` (2005) and the `Mashahilo Nakazono Memorial Event` (2007 ) were publicized online.
I was inundated with emails to supply a letter detailing all information including an invitation for the writer to bring to the UK a team of martial artists from Africa and many other countries - It was obviously an immigration scam - I did not reply to any of them.

Regards

Henry

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Old 11-27-2014, 08:27 AM   #3
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Re: Dojo Cho - New Scam

Immigration scam, most likely. If you give them an offer, they might try to use it to enter the country. And when they overstay their visa, the cops will come knocking at your door.

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Old 11-27-2014, 04:53 PM   #4
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Re: Dojo Cho - New Scam

I got the same message. I deleted it.
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Old 11-27-2014, 06:03 PM   #5
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Quote:
George S. Ledyard wrote: View Post
So, to all of you with dojos. I got an email saying this:

"This James Williams, How is work today, am hearing impaired, i will like to know if you are available for Martial Art training and exercise services and do you accept credit card for payment kindly get back to me as soon as possible."

I followed up and got this:

"Thanks for the prompt response, Am not around at the moment, Am out of the city for business purpose but i have a driver that will bring them in after i have sorted out the bills and all other necessary things with you, I want to make an appointment for Martial art training exercise service for my family.I want you to get back to me with the total estimate for 2 month private training for 5 people 3(Female) aged (15, 17 and 21)and 2(Male) aged (16 and 20) for 2 months 2hr daily 3 times a week, like i said earlier that they will be coming with a private transportation driver for the service. I will be expecting your reply with the total cost and your full name,address and direction for the private transport to locate your place when they are coming for the service."

Today I got this email:

"Good Day,
My name is Joe, do you teach Martial Arts and Full Body Exercises? I will like to Enroll my Family in your school. Please get back to me via email ASAP. Also do you accept credit cards as a mode of payment?
Please email me back if you do.
Regards,
Joe."

So, now I have had the same message requesting private lessons under tow different names and two different emails. If you get one like this, it is a scam, not sure how it works, but it is clearly bogus. So steer clear.
Dear Ledyard Sensei [George]
I wish to inform everyone that I am not the Joe who is sending out the dodgy mail.I only send out dodgy mail to rich guys in the hope they will send me a small donation[ minimum 100% ]
in a sealed envolpe.[Just joking here ] All the best , Joe.
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Old 11-27-2014, 06:11 PM   #6
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Hi George

This sounds rather similar to the many emails I received when news of the ` Kenshiro Abbe Sensei Memorial Event ` (2005) and the `Mashahilo Nakazono Memorial Event` (2007 ) were publicized online.
I was inundated with emails to supply a letter detailing all information including an invitation for the writer to bring to the UK a team of martial artists from Africa and many other countries - It was obviously an immigration scam - I did not reply to any of them.

Regards

Henry

Henry Ellis
Co-author ` Positive Aikido `
http://britishaikido.blogspot.com/
Hi Henry,
How are you doing? I am still around. Must give you a bell. Hope you and everyone are ok. Not like you to turn away any gent from the Dark Continent.As it happened you very nearly banned me from attending the Abbe Sensei event.Remember? Have a Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year,
Cheers, Your old chum Joe.
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Old 11-28-2014, 12:10 AM   #7
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Hi George

This sounds rather similar to the many emails I received when news of the ` Kenshiro Abbe Sensei Memorial Event ` (2005) and the `Mashahilo Nakazono Memorial Event` (2007 ) were publicized online.
I was inundated with emails to supply a letter detailing all information including an invitation for the writer to bring to the UK a team of martial artists from Africa and many other countries - It was obviously an immigration scam - I did not reply to any of them.

Regards

Henry

Henry Ellis
Co-author ` Positive Aikido `
http://britishaikido.blogspot.com/
Yes, that is what I have had over the years. They are basically scams to get people into the country. This one is different and I didn't get far enough into it to find out what the angle was.
- George

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Old 11-28-2014, 04:46 AM   #8
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Hi Henry,
How are you doing? I am still around. Must give you a bell. Hope you and everyone are ok. Not like you to turn away any gent from the Dark Continent.As it happened you very nearly banned me from attending the Abbe Sensei event.Remember? Have a Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year,
Cheers, Your old chum Joe.
Hi Joe

Everything is good Joe.
Ahh the `Kenshiro Abbe Event`, where you changed from a orrible to a most Honourable and welcome guest - I honestly believe that was the greatest event since the 1963 event with Abbe Sensei at the Royal Albert Hall. I still get the occasional emails from people saying what a great day they had.
I will email you my new phone number - too many spam calls so I banned them as well :-)

Best wishes for Christmas and 2015

Henry

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Old 11-28-2014, 04:52 AM   #9
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Re: Dojo Cho - New Scam

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Yes, that is what I have had over the years. They are basically scams to get people into the country. This one is different and I didn't get far enough into it to find out what the angle was.
- George
Hi George

I did read onetime where these `martial con artists ` were given a letter of invitation to an event - and all went their different ways as they exited the airport.

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Old 11-28-2014, 07:20 AM   #10
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Re: Dojo Cho - New Scam

Here is an example of what can happen.
https://migration.ucdavis.edu/mn/more.php?id=2497_0_3_0

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Old 11-28-2014, 02:35 PM   #11
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Re: Dojo Cho - New Scam

I had a similar scam presented: I had advertised on CraigsList for piano students. someone wrote me something very close to what they wrote to you, "with the total estimate for 2 month private training for 5 people 3(Female) aged (15, 17 and 21)and 2(Male) aged (16 and 20) for 2 months 2hr daily 3 times a week, like i said earlier that they will be coming with a private transportation driver for the service. "

then they wanted to pay by having someone send me a cashiers check to 1] cash and 2] deduct my fee and 3] send on the balance.

the scam is that often the bank will cash it before it clears, you then send the balance on, and end up owing the bank for the bad check.

I told them no but they still sent me a fake cahiers check for $22,000.00! I sent it to the secret service, that handles mail fraud
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Old 11-28-2014, 08:37 PM   #12
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It's not an immigration scam; it's a variation of the check cashing scam, as Toby describes above.

There is a saying, "You can't cheat an honest man." Many successful scams are based on getting the victim to believe that they're the ones getting the better of the deal (the famous violin scam is one of these). If it sounds like easy money, if it sounds like you might be getting over on someone if you take it, a dishonest person won't ask questions.
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