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Old 08-19-2002, 12:50 AM   #26
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Re: Re: In the Beginning was ...

Actually the New Testament was written in the venacular tongue of Koine Greek, a popular language in the Eastern Mediterranean area at the time. Because of this, I would argue that only the most concrete definitions should be used, rather than abstractions. If you look at the various English translations of John 1:1, "logos" is commonly translated as "word".

These sounds aren't to communicate, they're for creation. Like a magician's "Abbracadabra", these are words of power.

As you mentioned, we're getting far afield.

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Old 08-19-2002, 06:56 AM   #27
Bruce Baker
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Sounds like ...

I was trying to think of an easy way to relate sounds to structure, like particle to subatomic levels, and the simplest of terms came to mind from the old bar gag of musical drinks.

If you have ever had many glasses with various levels of water in them, you can change the tone of each glass by changing the level of liquid in them. Hence, you create a zylaphone out of glasses and liquid.

Apply this simple thought to the layers of the earths structure, as the atomic core is still creating magma, and vibrating and moving the crust of the earth.

The actual structual layers have different vibrations, yet the cause of the movement is the magma underneath.

If this translates to SU, or U, or variations thereof from the change in levels or structual content of the crust, we have simular sounds all around the world that are interpreted in slightly different tones, or sounds by the inhabitants of that area.

A somewhat laymens explanation of sounds of the universe, but no less valid than Darwin's theory. A theory which has been proven again and again, to be quite valid.

There is as much science to the sounds of the Kotodama as there is mysticysm.

Next theorem is to apply these sounds to the vibrations of life and examine the reactions that occur. Since there is not only gravity, magnetic waves, and energy in life to deal with let alone the elemental movements of bodies and weather conditions, it is not easy to always get the same level of results. None the less, there are results from properly using certain sounds, and they are measurable.

Enough for now.

Observe the sounds that increase of decrease.

Look into the use of basic sounds found in the kotodama. It is a very interesting study.

Almost as mind boggling as finding pressure points in Aikido.
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Old 08-19-2002, 09:31 AM   #28
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Wow, great stuff Bruce.

Now...if we could only get people to see that yes, there is empircal scientific evidence that Ki exisit.

I think the essence of Ki lay in this area of the kotodama.

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Old 08-24-2002, 12:30 PM   #29
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I don't think it is the essence of Ki, but a harmonization of sound with the vibrations of creation and life. Finding the sounds, the uses for the sounds, and applying them in a way that heals seems to be the most difficult journey in finding the sounds of kotodama, or any of the creative sounds.

I kind of liken it to a fine musical instument. A poorly played/ poorly made instument emits sounds that offend, while a well made, well played instrument brings pleasure.

Equate this to using sounds that move, heal, create strength or weaknes in movements, and it becomes a fascinating field of study.

The really neat thing, is how so many cultures have simular sounds with only minor variations.
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Old 08-24-2002, 04:03 PM   #30
Neil Mick
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I attended a fascinating class on kotodama during the Santa Cruz Retreat, taught by Jack Wada Sensei. He pointed out that even though he finds a lot of use in kotodama exercises, he is sometimes shy, or embarassed, to try it in front of a class.

"The seven sacred sounds" is an interesting, often overlooked, topic. I wish I knew more.
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