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Old 02-25-2014, 08:08 AM   #1
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The Budo Teacher - Student Relationship

The relationship between budo teachers and students is an interesting one, In Japan the relationship is often very close, with significant responsibilities on both sides. I've noticed that outside Japan the relationship is often extremely weak, frequently little more than that of 2 people sharing a mild hobby. How do you see your relationship with your teacher? I wrote this blog post about the relationships I have with my teachers. Are yours anything like this?

http://budobum.blogspot.com/2014/02/...ationship.html

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Old 02-25-2014, 08:31 AM   #2
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Re: The Budo Teacher - Student Relationship

I will say Peter that the relationship and the closeness has varying degrees depending on what point your are in the journey. You allude to that in your blog I think. I have seen some Western student/teacher relationships (non-Budo) that are as nurturing, supportive and requiring mutual obligation as anything I have seen in Japanese Budo.

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Old 02-25-2014, 03:43 PM   #3
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Re: The Budo Teacher - Student Relationship

I think this depends entirely on the teacher and the student in question. One of my Sensei dates his students. His current girlfriend who takes him as Sempai, is 23 years older than him and he has been a serial dater in my local Aikido scene. Later he moved to a new dojo and stopped teaching because it gives him a lot more freedom in his Aikido romances.

My current Sensei is a very nice 63 years old woman. She is endearing like your grandma, joking around with you all the time but also gives a lot of good advice aikido- and life-wise.

When I was in Richmond I used to go get drunk with my Sensei and call him names. But he is one of the people I respect and love the most.
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Old 03-14-2014, 10:08 PM   #4
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Re: The Budo Teacher - Student Relationship

It depends on the nature of the school, and possibly the age difference between the student and teacher. I think, once you've bowed in at the mat, the sensei is the sensei. Off the mat, you're both people.
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Old 03-17-2014, 12:57 AM   #5
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Re: The Budo Teacher - Student Relationship

Well my relationship with my teacher looks very much like that of Kwai Chang Caine with master Po, or even more, like the one of Daniel-san with Mr. Miyagi. It's not the typical relationship that I usually see where you go to your lesson, teacher corrects you and that's it. We do dojo projects together and also go out for a coffee, watch Formula 1 races and help each other any way we can in all aspects of life.
But here I have to make something clear. My sensei is my sensei whether we are on the mat or off the mat, you cannot have a purely friendly relationship as it would be between two other people, and I respect him as such, we are not equal. Still, he is one of my closest people and we consider each other family.
As for the OP blog text, I liked it very much, thanks for sharing. I don't think that we should always prove anything we say on aikiweb, I consider everything I read as sincere experiences or opinions of each poster, because any otherwise behaviour would be childish and stupid, so I don't consider anyone a liar. I enjoy reading your texts whether I agree or disagree with each one of their context.
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Old 03-21-2014, 09:07 AM   #6
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Re: The Budo Teacher - Student Relationship

I thought this was a nicely written piece Peter!
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Old 03-22-2014, 05:56 PM   #7
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Re: The Budo Teacher - Student Relationship

I have a large amount of respect for the people I train with, both my senirors and the beginners and everyone in between.

But, I'm a gregarious, openly comical guy, who would much rather run class with people lauging and commenting merrily, with occasional sparks of intensely serious talk and demonstration, than the opposite. So, I'm intentionally on the less formal methods.

That means that our relationships aren't as formally-bound as the traditional perhaps, but then again, I don't think any of my students wants to assassinate me to gain advantage for himself/herself either. Our society isn't set up that way.

I find it interesting that the kanji character for kuzushi illustrates a mountain falling on a house.
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Old 03-31-2014, 06:14 AM   #8
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I never stop trying to understand my teachers.

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Old 03-31-2014, 07:17 AM   #9
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I have a large amount of respect for the people I train with, both my senirors and the beginners and everyone in between.

But, I'm a gregarious, openly comical guy, who would much rather run class with people lauging and commenting merrily, with occasional sparks of intensely serious talk and demonstration, than the opposite. So, I'm intentionally on the less formal methods.

That means that our relationships aren't as formally-bound as the traditional perhaps, but then again, I don't think any of my students wants to assassinate me to gain advantage for himself/herself either. Our society isn't set up that way.
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