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Old 01-28-2014, 02:31 PM   #101
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There isn't enough data to answer that question, but here are a few questions that may help you formulate a plan of action:
  • Was there any discussion when you got banned, or had there been any discussion leading up to it?
  • Do you understand the reasons why you were banned? Do you agree with it?
  • If you were to go back, what would change in order for you to remain there -- the dojo's rules/expectations, or your behavior? How would this change happen, and are you okay with it?
Was there any discussion when i got banned? no
do i understand thw reasons why i was banned, do i agree with it? Yes becos i broke every rule in the book by saying that i was going to have a street fight with a young woman, whereas aikido is supposed to be non competetive. also because i mentioned that i was once (nearly) charged with attempted rape, always goes down a scorcher. and someone from another club called up my club to complain. but no i dont think this warrants a ban
if i was to go back what would i change? nothing it was and still is a great club. it has all been a big misunderstanding. but for the time being the ban stands.
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Old 01-28-2014, 03:05 PM   #102
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Was there any discussion when i got banned? no
do i understand thw reasons why i was banned, do i agree with it? Yes becos i broke every rule in the book by saying that i was going to have a street fight with a young woman, whereas aikido is supposed to be non competetive. also because i mentioned that i was once (nearly) charged with attempted rape, always goes down a scorcher. and someone from another club called up my club to complain. but no i dont think this warrants a ban
if i was to go back what would i change? nothing it was and still is a great club. it has all been a big misunderstanding. but for the time being the ban stands.
Generally students have to live up to some standards of character and reputability.
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Old 01-28-2014, 05:17 PM   #103
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Generally students have to live up to some standards of character and reputability.
Certainly true at any dojo I would want to be a member of.

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Old 01-29-2014, 11:19 AM   #104
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Was there any discussion when i got banned? no
do i understand thw reasons why i was banned, do i agree with it? Yes becos i broke every rule in the book by saying that i was going to have a street fight with a young woman, whereas aikido is supposed to be non competetive. also because i mentioned that i was once (nearly) charged with attempted rape, always goes down a scorcher. and someone from another club called up my club to complain. but no i dont think this warrants a ban
if i was to go back what would i change? nothing it was and still is a great club. it has all been a big misunderstanding. but for the time being the ban stands.
Hello John,

I didn't exactly ask "what would you change" if you went back -- I asked what would change (in the dojo's rules, in your behavior, in whatever) that would allow you to remain there and not simply get banned again. This may be simplistic thinking on my part, but it seems like something would have to change or you'd just get the same outcome again. So, what would change?
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Old 01-29-2014, 11:46 AM   #105
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Was there any discussion when i got banned? no
do i understand thw reasons why i was banned, do i agree with it? Yes becos i broke every rule in the book by saying that i was going to have a street fight with a young woman, whereas aikido is supposed to be non competetive. also because i mentioned that i was once (nearly) charged with attempted rape, always goes down a scorcher. and someone from another club called up my club to complain. but no i dont think this warrants a ban
if i was to go back what would i change? nothing it was and still is a great club. it has all been a big misunderstanding. but for the time being the ban stands.
Well between attempting to fight a female and you mentioning you were almost charged with rape I can completely understand a ban. Any other things that you didn't mention that may have contributed to the ban? You have to keep in mind that the instructor has to run a safe dojo so those things are a pretty big deal.
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Old 02-03-2014, 11:57 AM   #106
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Before there's too much tarring ;
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... i mentioned that i was once (nearly) charged with attempted rape, ..:
This can happen to anyone without any blame at all,
don't assume anything about John from it, least of all 'bad character'.
(Unfortunately people just 'knee-jerk' their way through the internet)
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Old 02-03-2014, 01:04 PM   #107
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Before there's too much tarring ;

This can happen to anyone without any blame at all,
don't assume anything about John from it, least of all 'bad character'.
(Unfortunately people just 'knee-jerk' their way through the internet)
Well, throw in a bit of a cheeky attitude about it, warnings from other dojos, and possibly even threatening female members of the dojo with bodily assault and you're well out of knee-jerk territory.
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Old 02-04-2014, 07:17 PM   #108
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Was there any discussion when i got banned? no
do i understand thw reasons why i was banned, do i agree with it? Yes becos i broke every rule in the book by saying that i was going to have a street fight with a young woman, whereas aikido is supposed to be non competetive. also because i mentioned that i was once (nearly) charged with attempted rape, always goes down a scorcher. and someone from another club called up my club to complain. but no i dont think this warrants a ban
if i was to go back what would i change? nothing it was and still is a great club. it has all been a big misunderstanding. but for the time being the ban stands.
This all sounds like an Andy Kaufman joke.

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Old 02-04-2014, 10:45 PM   #109
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This all sounds like an Andy Kaufman joke.

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Old 02-07-2014, 07:23 AM   #110
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Re: Banned from Aikido...

OKay I've been banned for a year. What would change? To allow me to go back? Well I need to let a year pass, and get some medical letters then i should be alright.
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Old 02-09-2014, 05:03 PM   #111
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OKay I've been banned for a year. What would change? To allow me to go back? Well I need to let a year pass, and get some medical letters then i should be alright.
I would suggest keeping the lines of communication open with your sensei while you are out of the dojo. Keep him informed of the actual steps you are actually taking to fix the problems that actually got you bounced.
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Old 06-24-2015, 02:10 PM   #112
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Freaky! Re: Banned from Aikido...

Over a year later. But my 'style' must be pretty lethal seeing as the police and security services have to keep a close watch on my every move. Between friends my style has a name, but it borrows that name from another style. And so in font of confusing the two, we can stick with Budo as the generic term for the time being. And if any of you want to know more about 'this style' I suggest you go and ask YOUR senseis about it, because this one here is done.

PS with regards to my mental health/psychiatric problems, i think this is the reason why i have been unable to train. People don't like things they don't understand, and most martial arts people don't understand psychosis, not at all. Only people with some real insight/experience in to this problem have any true understanding there/ And you would think that people involved with this as their profession, would be the experts, but sadly it is my experience that these are, more often than not, the furtherest from the truth as anyone. Their paid job role prevents them, alongside unspoken cultural stigma, from properly engaging with these cases. So when it is realised that there are a lot of things wrong with society, from non academics lying on their job applications to get university grade jobs, and so on.

I could go on, and drown out this forum. Finally one more thing, somebody on here told me something i said, 'was not' Aikido? Really? Maybe it doesn't fit to the way he has learnt akikido, but as a spiritual pursuit my martial art, Aikido, incorporates everything under the sun. including attacks. that will just give me one more advantage than you when we finally meet on a street corner one of these nights!

John.
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Old 06-25-2015, 10:32 PM   #113
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Re: Banned from Aikido...

You might check out the thread "Will Aikido Training Protect Me In Jail?". Actually pretty good advice, but I hope you won't ever need it.

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Old 06-26-2015, 03:28 AM   #114
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Re: Banned from Aikido...

Wow just wow - is this a hoax.

If there is any hint of real danger to club members this is it.

Last edited by PeterR : 06-26-2015 at 03:31 AM.

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Old 06-26-2015, 04:26 AM   #115
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Wow just wow - is this a hoax.

If there is any hint of real danger to club members this is it.
Peter

If you read ` John 2054 ` last comment on the thread `` How to deal with irritating partners `` - you may want to add another couple of ` wows `.

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Old 06-26-2015, 05:38 AM   #116
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Re: Banned from Aikido...

Years ago - literally within 2 weeks of opening up my first club I had one person show up (and I swear this is true) waving a little red book and loudly proclaiming what I was doing was not Aikido. Shades of Mao I know but it was actually John Steven's collection of Doka.

This and the other post remind me of this - persons loudly declaring that only they understand what aikido is all about and in Japan they do .......

Red book boy was annoying but hardly dangerous especially since no one admitted to ever having him attend class. However getting someone with that level of delusion, especially of an aggressive bent, on the mat is foolhardy at best.

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Old 06-27-2015, 11:36 AM   #117
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Red book boy was annoying but hardly dangerous especially since no one admitted to ever having him attend class. However getting someone with that level of delusion, especially of an aggressive bent, on the mat is foolhardy at best.
People who THINK they know everything about budo are a constant source of annoyance for people like me who actually DO know everything...
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Old 06-28-2015, 12:14 PM   #118
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People who THINK they know everything about budo are a constant source of annoyance for people like me who actually DO know everything...

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Old 06-28-2015, 06:12 PM   #119
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Over a year later. But my 'style' must be pretty lethal seeing as the police and security services have to keep a close watch on my every move. Between friends my style has a name, but it borrows that name from another style. And so in font of confusing the two, we can stick with Budo as the generic term for the time being. And if any of you want to know more about 'this style' I suggest you go and ask YOUR senseis about it, because this one here is done.

PS with regards to my mental health/psychiatric problems, i think this is the reason why i have been unable to train. People don't like things they don't understand, and most martial arts people don't understand psychosis, not at all. Only people with some real insight/experience in to this problem have any true understanding there/ And you would think that people involved with this as their profession, would be the experts, but sadly it is my experience that these are, more often than not, the furtherest from the truth as anyone. Their paid job role prevents them, alongside unspoken cultural stigma, from properly engaging with these cases. So when it is realised that there are a lot of things wrong with society, from non academics lying on their job applications to get university grade jobs, and so on.

I could go on, and drown out this forum. Finally one more thing, somebody on here told me something i said, 'was not' Aikido? Really? Maybe it doesn't fit to the way he has learnt akikido, but as a spiritual pursuit my martial art, Aikido, incorporates everything under the sun. including attacks. that will just give me one more advantage than you when we finally meet on a street corner one of these nights!

John.
Dear John,
Have you considered the possibility that the reason [assuming your comments are genuine] that the police and the security services are keeping a watchful eye on you is related not to you aikido lethal? skills but more towards the fact that you have mental health issues?As for mental health issues I am pretty familiar with this terrible illness.I do hope your condition improves.Cheers. Joe.
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