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Old 01-22-2014, 01:59 PM   #76
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Maybe this post can give some light about the issue.
I see.

Well it's not the best situation. On one hand I'm sure the sensei would like to help you but on the other he has a business to run and students to protect.

I think you might just be best waiting it out, John. I don't see much other choice really. Take some time off and relax a bit...read some books.

And when you get back to class try and take it a bit easier and keep the drama away.

Best wishes to you, John. I hope it all works out for you.
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Old 01-23-2014, 03:36 AM   #77
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Well,

according to me the ban is justified due to the circumstances.
If you wanted to have this fight you were supposed just to do it and see what happens and keep the conclusions for yourself. No need to go bragging around at your dojo.

Or you could just invite her for a pizza and a beer, or for a movie

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Old 01-23-2014, 01:10 PM   #78
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To be honest I'm still not quite sure where I stand. Sure I am banned from one dan ranking, but i don't think he is the head of my club. So where does that leave me? At least, I understand most men like to band together, and ban the 'jackers' who clearly f$^ with their nice male female orientated view of the world. What's more Aikido teaches you to never attack first, so i don't know if it was because I insinuated that i would, or it got back to them that i have in the past, and so the ban stands. Aikido is not the be all and end all in my life. If it turns out that i can't go back to it, I have learnt a good ikkyo in this way. But it does still feel a little like a kick in the teeth after the years dedication and friends i have made at my club, and this is the way they repay me. like i said it wasnt the clubs topdog, but the number two that banned me. and i guess they wont like me washing my dirty linen in public. but to be quite honest with you i have been the number one internet troll/most wanted since over five years now. starting with martialartstalk.net across bullshido.net various other forums to finally here at aikiweb. There has been a decent amount of tolerance and respect shown me on this forum, but now the knee jerk /(oh he's a woman beater etc etc) reactions are beginning to kick in. Every one reading this has to ask themselvee within do they think that i am worthy of this treatment. And I have little doubt that a good deal will be against me. But a few friends is all i need to provide me with the emotional support to continue my journey. Both here and elsewhere. It was nice to think that I had my club on my side. But just as it is no longer 'my' club, so too yeah anyway you get the picture.
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Old 01-23-2014, 01:53 PM   #79
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Re: Banned from Aikido...

what the what?
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Old 01-23-2014, 02:00 PM   #80
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Only you and your instructor truly know why you are banned. Your instructor is the only one who can give you a workable suggestion.
I'm just repeating my advice. Only He/She will decide if you can come back. It doesn't make a difference what me or anyone else on this forum thinks about the situation.
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Old 01-23-2014, 02:10 PM   #81
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To be honest I'm still not quite sure where I stand. Sure I am banned from one dan ranking, but i don't think he is the head of my club. So where does that leave me? At least, I understand most men like to band together, and ban the 'jackers' who clearly f$^ with their nice male female orientated view of the world. What's more Aikido teaches you to never attack first, so i don't know if it was because I insinuated that i would, or it got back to them that i have in the past, and so the ban stands. Aikido is not the be all and end all in my life. If it turns out that i can't go back to it, I have learnt a good ikkyo in this way. But it does still feel a little like a kick in the teeth after the years dedication and friends i have made at my club, and this is the way they repay me. like i said it wasnt the clubs topdog, but the number two that banned me. and i guess they wont like me washing my dirty linen in public. but to be quite honest with you i have been the number one internet troll/most wanted since over five years now. starting with martialartstalk.net across bullshido.net various other forums to finally here at aikiweb. There has been a decent amount of tolerance and respect shown me on this forum, but now the knee jerk /(oh he's a woman beater etc etc) reactions are beginning to kick in. Every one reading this has to ask themselvee within do they think that i am worthy of this treatment. And I have little doubt that a good deal will be against me. But a few friends is all i need to provide me with the emotional support to continue my journey. Both here and elsewhere. It was nice to think that I had my club on my side. But just as it is no longer 'my' club, so too yeah anyway you get the picture.
I don't think this is the reason. You might want to go through the comments on this thread again and re-think it.
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Old 01-23-2014, 02:15 PM   #82
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what the what?
I think it is all in his head ...

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Old 01-23-2014, 02:27 PM   #83
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Listen John, I think everyone here would love to help you but that fact is, no one on this board can do anything for you.

If you made a mistake and got removed from the dojo just sit your time out and return when you can.

But I think everyone here would probably support you to some degree. We all make mistakes...all of us.
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Old 01-23-2014, 02:34 PM   #84
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Hi, ok so your Instructor or someone has banned you from Aikido. I do not know whether this is in general (which they cannot do) or just from their club (which they can do so long as you have broken a code of conduct or something); anyway your post states you were banned because you said you wanted to "street fight with a bird on the net".

1. Your post is somewhat ambiguous; you have left us with no true explanation of the account you are referring to and are expecting us to fill in the blanks and make a post based on the limited information you have provided. You need to give us the whole story. No one can truly make any kind of statement about this without the back info.
2. Regardless of the context in which you were speaking, it is a fairly common thing for a new student to the Martial Arts (i.e one who has not started their spiritual journey) to make statements such as the one you are referring to; you will learn that a street fight isn't something you want or will look forward to, but something that is in fact very distressing and negative on your life and others included in the altercation.
Finally 3. Before you make any posts, you should think about what they may be saying about you. Your comments in the forum will trigger a wide array of comments and thought, some of it positive and some not quite so much, what you post can and does believe it or not have an effect of people, like the ripples from a pebble dropped into water. You should consider what you are saying before you post it, a mindful post is far more respected and inclined to have a deeper and more meaningful conversation to it that everyone who reads truly will benefit from, rather than a misguided rant of a rash and lost individual who seems to be posting because they have nothing better to do.
All posts on here provide us with the opportunity to learn; I would not want anything to think I am trying to say this or any post was not welcome, but a post that has had even a small amount of thought considered towards it is richest in its yield.
I hope you find what you are looking for John Robinson, and if I can offer any guidance, I am but a message away. Peace be with you.
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Old 01-23-2014, 02:41 PM   #85
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To be honest I'm still not quite sure where I stand. Sure I am banned from one dan ranking, but i don't think he is the head of my club. ......
John, if anything you say is true, then the first step to getting back on the mat has got to be a step into the psychiatrist's office. Seriously, if you are who you present here, get some real mental health care soon. You need it. This sort of drama is cycling around for you, and you know it doesn't end well. I am not being an ass or a bitch or anything but straight up honest with you. Go talk to a psychiatric professional.
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Old 01-23-2014, 02:56 PM   #86
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Re: Banned from Aikido...

Isn't there something called taryujiai, that is, matches between practitioners of different styles. Perhaps when you get back into the good graces of your club, you could advocate for this. This way you get to test your "skills" in a controlled and sanctioned manner.
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Old 01-24-2014, 10:37 AM   #87
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Re: Banned from Aikido...

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not to mention the "Aikido is whatever-percent-I-made-up-just-now atemi." line
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Old 01-24-2014, 12:59 PM   #88
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Isn't there something called taryujiai, that is, matches between practitioners of different styles. Perhaps when you get back into the good graces of your club, you could advocate for this. This way you get to test your "skills" in a controlled and sanctioned manner.
There's always just becoming a cage fighter. There are plenty amateur opportunities around, but the business is a wreck.
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Old 01-25-2014, 03:00 PM   #89
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That was a popular line at one time, but less so once more information came out, although some people still train that way. Morihei Ueshiba's Aikido, even in the later years, was quite aggressive and contained quite a bit of striking.

Since you've apparently decided on an ASU school - here's Saotome demonstrating a little of something like that:

http://youtu.be/MsZk7Eha1Us

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Hey Chris

The thing is I don't see Saotome sensei being the attacker in that video. It was a bit more aggressive towards the attacker with strikes and whatnot but still.

I just don't think Ueshiba would support some type of competition like what's proposed by some in this topic. Maybe I'm wrong but from what I have read he seemed to be opposed to such things.

Now don't get me wrong...I'm no Aikido scholar but I have read a few things here and there and if I remember correctly he was no fan of aggressiveness or competitions.

I don't know...
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Old 01-25-2014, 03:40 PM   #90
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Hey Chris

The thing is I don't see Saotome sensei being the attacker in that video. It was a bit more aggressive towards the attacker with strikes and whatnot but still.

I just don't think Ueshiba would support some type of competition like what's proposed by some in this topic. Maybe I'm wrong but from what I have read he seemed to be opposed to such things.

Now don't get me wrong...I'm no Aikido scholar but I have read a few things here and there and if I remember correctly he was no fan of aggressiveness or competitions.

I don't know...
He was no fan of sporting contests - but we're not talking about sporting contests, are we? The record is clear that both he and his students often took on people in other arts. That has nothing to do with aggressiveness or competitions.

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Old 01-25-2014, 04:08 PM   #91
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He was no fan of sporting contests - but we're not talking about sporting contests, are we? The record is clear that both he and his students often took on people in other arts. That has nothing to do with aggressiveness or competitions.

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Chris
This is the crux of the matter from the video! Wish i could be so eloquant! I am not a Satome student but I see what I see in his and his students Aikido! As to the OP well there is lots of advice been given Peter R has called it out!
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Old 01-25-2014, 04:12 PM   #92
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He was no fan of sporting contests - but we're not talking about sporting contests, are we? The record is clear that both he and his students often took on people in other arts. That has nothing to do with aggressiveness or competitions.

Best,

Chris
I don't know, I'm not sure "taking on" someone is any different than a sporting event unless they were trying to kill each other which I'm sure they were not. I don't see how accepting a challenge from someone of another art could avoid being a competition. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.

Was that activity pre or post war? I'm just curious.
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Old 01-25-2014, 04:16 PM   #93
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I don't know, I'm not sure "taking on" someone is any different than a sporting event unless they were trying to kill each other which I'm sure they were not. I don't see how accepting a challenge from someone of another art could avoid being a competition. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.

Was that activity pre or post war? I'm just curious.
Both pre and post.

If he participated in it, and his students participated in it with his knowledge (which we know to be the case), then it can not be as black and white as it being flatly prohibited. But then...things rarely are in Japan - Western thinking tends to like things a little more clearly defined.

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Old 01-26-2014, 10:36 AM   #94
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If he participated in it, and his students participated in it with his knowledge (which we know to be the case), then it can not be as black and white as it being flatly prohibited. But then...things rarely are in Japan - Western thinking tends to like things a little more clearly defined.
Well, also...just because someone did something, doesn't mean it isn't illegal here and now (or wasn't illegal then and there, for that matter). Sometimes people get away with things; that doesn't mean you will if you do the same. "But he did it!!!" doesn't even work on a first-grade teacher, much less cops and DAs.
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Old 01-26-2014, 10:42 AM   #95
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Well, also...just because someone did something, doesn't mean it isn't illegal here and now (or wasn't illegal then and there, for that matter). Sometimes people get away with things; that doesn't mean you will if you do the same. "But he did it!!!" doesn't even work on a first-grade teacher, much less cops and DAs.
First of all, I wasn't discussing the legality, at all. Secondly, as you well know, people engage in cross art matches all over the country on a daily basis that are perfectly legal.

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Old 01-27-2014, 12:27 PM   #96
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Well I have recently joined a new club. And tonight I had a bedroom brawl with my wife and step-daughter. She used Chinese style, and the little one used slaps style. I finished second, with the little one last. She was simply to short to get the shots in. And they said i couldn't fight?!?!?!?!
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Old 01-27-2014, 12:35 PM   #97
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Well I have recently joined a new club. And tonight I had a bedroom brawl with my wife and step-daughter. She used Chinese style, and the little one used slaps style. I finished second, with the little one last. She was simply to short to get the shots in. And they said i couldn't fight?!?!?!?!
Best of luck...carful though or your going to run out of dojos to train at.
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Old 01-27-2014, 10:54 PM   #98
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This is one of the most amusing threads I've read in quite some time.

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Old 01-28-2014, 05:28 AM   #99
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Back on-topic,
how did I miss this?
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... What's more Aikido teaches you to never attack first, ...
No it doesn't!

Do carry on ...
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Old 01-28-2014, 06:15 AM   #100
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This is one of the most amusing threads I've read in quite some time.
Prediction: it will still be here, still being periodically revived by newbies, still stinkin' up the joint, in ten years.
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