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Old 08-05-2002, 05:54 PM   #26
Bruce Baker
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Everything you need to have 'budo' applications for Aikido is right out in the open. If you don't see it, then maybe you need to "train, train, train" the most important muscle in your body ... the one that thinks.

As far as being a student of budo, O'Sensei's example of quietly handling bullies through reason, not overt fighting, should be your quandry to find a solution.
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Old 08-05-2002, 06:35 PM   #27
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Hi everybody, it's been a long time since I wrote to the forums last time. I've been bussy training hard and working the same. My Sensei uses to say: "You will spend a lot of years, 10, 20, may be 30, to be able to apply a technique in a decent way". Anyone may think this sounds sad and unhappy. In honor to the truth, if you train thinking about "effectivenes" of Aikido and with the poor knowledge of a beginner, it is not possible to evaluate that, in the other hand if you forget the martial essence or the budo way you may be playing just a game, but anyway, I think that the way you decide, soon or later you'll find the right way of the budo, it's something like walking up to the summit, when you reach it, and find others that followed different routes, all of us will see the same sky, the same sun and the same moon. I agree with Kent, there's no sense playing basketball without trying to get the ball in the hoop. Keep training and you'll find the way, the right one.
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Old 08-05-2002, 06:38 PM   #28
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Henry Tovar (Henry Javier) wrote:
Hi everybody, it's been a long time since I wrote to the forums last time. I've been bussy training hard and working the same. My Sensei uses to say: "You will spend a lot of years, 10, 20, may be 30, to be able to apply a technique in a decent way".
He really should consider altering his training methods. Perfection isn't necessary for effectiveness.

Peter Rehse Shodokan Aikido
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Old 08-05-2002, 06:50 PM   #29
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Hello Peter.

I understand it sounds really disgusting to someone to listen that from an instructor. But i'll tell you a little secret, this expresion I mentioned, is used when a new student ask how many time does he need to handle and master the Aikido techniques, if you are a consequent trainer, I guess you are, you shure have been in troubles more than once trying to develope a technique, but with love and patience, you have had succes the most of the time, the biggest problem of we, the humans, plus the ego, is our lack of patience, we allways want the thinks inmediatly like a miracle, and this is hard to find. I claryfie this because i think my sensei is excellent and his mastery make us feel proud. He is not trying to make us perfect but humble.

Greetings
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Old 08-05-2002, 07:15 PM   #30
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Understood - but I really do think that many people don't give Aikido the credit it deserves. Your teacher is trying to say that Aikido is worth a lifetime of study and that it is - but the question was about effectiveness. I really think that I can teach effective Aikido in less than a year - it might not be pretty but it will work.
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Hello Peter.

I understand it sounds really disgusting to someone to listen that from an instructor. But i'll tell you a little secret, this expresion I mentioned, is used when a new student ask how many time does he need to handle and master the Aikido techniques, if you are a consequent trainer, I guess you are, you shure have been in troubles more than once trying to develope a technique, but with love and patience, you have had succes the most of the time, the biggest problem of we, the humans, plus the ego, is our lack of patience, we allways want the thinks inmediatly like a miracle, and this is hard to find. I claryfie this because i think my sensei is excellent and his mastery make us feel proud. He is not trying to make us perfect but humble.

Greetings

Peter Rehse Shodokan Aikido
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