Welcome to AikiWeb Aikido Information
AikiWeb: The Source for Aikido Information
AikiWeb's principal purpose is to serve the Internet community as a repository and dissemination point for aikido information.

Sections
home
aikido articles
columns

Discussions
forums
aikiblogs

Databases
dojo search
seminars
image gallery
supplies
links directory

Reviews
book reviews
video reviews
dvd reviews
equip. reviews

News
submit
archive

Miscellaneous
newsletter
rss feeds
polls
about

Follow us on



Home > AikiWeb Aikido Forums
Go Back   AikiWeb Aikido Forums > Teaching

Hello and thank you for visiting AikiWeb, the world's most active online Aikido community! This site is home to over 22,000 aikido practitioners from around the world and covers a wide range of aikido topics including techniques, philosophy, history, humor, beginner issues, the marketplace, and more.

If you wish to join in the discussions or use the other advanced features available, you will need to register first. Registration is absolutely free and takes only a few minutes to complete so sign up today!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 07-17-2002, 02:31 AM   #1
isshinryu88
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 26
Offline
Aikido Curriculum for the beginner

How do different dojo approach teaching beginners? Or for that matter, students as a whole?

My background is Karate and I am used to having what I need to be working on being well defined. Work on this kata, work on these applications, etc. As I would meander through a kata, an instructor would come over and either say "what the heck was that" and give some feedback or give me a new sequence to work on if it looked like I was doing well with what I had.

So far in my Aikido dojo though, it's almost a matter of "Ok, do this" and we all do that. And the next class it's something different. I've only been going for a month now, but there hasn't been any concentrated effort to make sure that my stance is correct or to reinforce the various movements we try to do with the various techniques shown. If it weren't for the books I've bought, I'd still be referring to some of the techniques that I remember as "that wrist bend thing" and "the clothesline sort of one".

Is this almost laissez-faire, "throw it at them and see what sticks", approach to teaching common in Aikido?

Thanks.

Dave
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2002, 03:26 AM   #2
Bronson
 
Bronson's Avatar
Dojo: Seiwa Dojo and Southside Dojo
Location: Battle Creek & Kalamazoo, MI
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,677
Offline
Quote:
Is this almost laissez-faire, "throw it at them and see what sticks", approach to teaching common in Aikido?
It seems to be around these parts. I like to think of it like the alphabet. One day sensei will explain "E". It doesn't make any sense because so far I've only learned "A" & "C". A couple of classes later he teaches "B", and the next class he teaches "D". At which point the students go "Hey now "E" makes sense!" Eventually we get the whole thing, just not in order. Not sure if it's the most efficient method but it's the one we've got

Bronson

"A pacifist is not really a pacifist if he is unable to make a choice between violence and non-violence. A true pacifist is able to kill or maim in the blink of an eye, but at the moment of impending destruction of the enemy he chooses non-violence."
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2002, 06:44 AM   #3
rachmass
Dojo: Aikido of Cincinnati/Huron Valley Aikikai
Location: Somerset Michigan
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 794
Offline
We have basics classes at our dojo, designed for beginner and senior student alike. In these classes, basic body movement is emphasized with focus on tenkan, irimi, and other entrances. We also spend a lot of time learning to take ukemi and practice front and back rolls. While there is no set "curriculum" for these classes, the teachers tend to work mostly on one technique (or again, just body movement) such as ikkyo, through the whole class, breaking it down from the start to the finish.

In general classes, it is whatever the teacher has decided to teach that day. I know that this can be intimidating for new students, but the senior students on the mat that day will always make sure to work with the newer students to that students pace and comfort level.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-17-2002, 10:02 AM   #4
jimvance
Dojo: Jiyushinkan
Location: Mesa, AZ
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 199
Offline
Quote:
Dave Kenser wrote:
How do different dojo approach teaching beginners? Or for that matter, students as a whole?
I spent three years as a mudansha in an Aikikai dojo, and your experience sounds much like mine. I have trained the last four years in the Jiyushinkai, which follows the educational model established by Kano, and expounded upon by Tomiki and then Miyake. That is, we begin training with ukemi and a "tandoku" (solitary) kata designed to teach proper posture and movement. We then move into sotai (paired) training starting with a kata designed to teach connection and balance breaking. By combining elements of all three practices, we move onto the first real application kata and teach the beginner the first five techniques in that kata, atemi waza. After they have demonstrated competency in all the above, they are promoted and taught the next section, and so on and so on.

We continue to learn kata so that our "budo repetoire" expands, but we also complement the kata training with sotai randori, much akin to Judo or Shodokan Aikido, with the purpose being to apply what we know from kata and begin to develop intuitive applications. This becomes more a problem solving exercise than a fight to the death.

All-in-all, the time from a beginner's first class until they are participating in randori is anywhere from three to six months. We also practice drills and other applications, like multiple attack randori or tanto dori, but this is all based on the core curriculum described above.

Jim Vance
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2002, 10:43 AM   #5
SeiserL
 
SeiserL's Avatar
Dojo: Roswell Budokan, Kyushinkan Dojo, Aikido World Alliance
Location: Roswell, GA USA
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 3,724
United_States
Offline
Agreed, Aikido instruction has not been (for me) the same strcutured curriculm that I got in the bashing arts. It frustrated me at first. Yet, IMHO, the curriculm is more consistent with the Aikido philosophy of flowing with your opponent. Trust your Sensei to know what to teach and when. Rather than question, train. I was surprised that there really was a structure and purpose to it all. I really had learned what I was supposed to learn. Now, I just show up, dress out, and do whatever I am told to for that day.

Until again,

Lynn

Lynn Seiser PhD
Yondan Aikido & FMA/JKD
We do not rise to the level of our expectations, but fall to the level of our training. Train well. KWATZ!
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-23-2002, 08:26 AM   #6
Rev_Sully
Location: Somerville, MA
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 58
Offline
Looking at these threads as a Beginner, I'm finding that vocabluary must be as important as the techniques themselves. It is a bit overwhelming at times I feel but like all things familiarity will ease that.

"He who knows best knows how little he knows." -Thomas Jefferson
  Reply With Quote

Please visit our sponsor:

Long Island Asian Studies Center - Classes: Aiki Budo/Chi Gong/Tai Chi, Author of: Searching For O'Sensei



Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Watch Out for Aikido 'Shihans'.......... Man of Aiki General 74 02-24-2009 09:37 AM
Aikido minus mysticism: a step forward Red Beetle General 358 10-10-2006 12:43 PM
failed? Leon Aman General 15 09-28-2006 06:15 AM
Two things. Veers General 8 04-04-2003 02:54 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:53 AM.



vBulletin Copyright © 2000-2014 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited
----------
Copyright 1997-2014 AikiWeb and its Authors, All Rights Reserved.
----------
For questions and comments about this website:
Send E-mail
plainlaid-picaresque outchasing-protistan explicantia-altarage seaford-stellionate