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Old 07-12-2002, 12:20 PM   #1
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Throwing a Bear

"Several of them ran toward the two animals and began kicking and stomping the bear. When it refused to let go of its meal, one of them actually picked the bear off the ground and threw it to one side. Only then did the bear release its grip and run back into the woods."

http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/news_col...251484,00.html

On the subject of "fighting" bears:

http://www.najaco.com/humor/video_clips/bear3.mpg

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Old 07-12-2002, 07:31 PM   #2
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Donno if someone could really do it with an aikido throw. but once my brother and I were watching Preditor, and when the preditor hits the main character, and sends him flying my bro goes, " do you think Aikido could work against that?" I replyed " yeah harmonize and Die" :P

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Old 07-16-2002, 09:19 AM   #3
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depends on nature's harmony

I guess the meaning of "You get the bear, or the bear gets you" is a true test of your instinctual knowledge, application to what Aikido is?

Most people would say once a bear considers you a threat, or you are food, you have to either change his mind, or deal with the harmony of nature ... be food, or kill the bear.

Maybe there will be opportuny to ellude, to dissway, or even change the bear's mind to the effect you are not worth the trouble it takes to be food, or someone else is food, but who knows?

If you take enough precautions, understand what it takes to avoid the bear, maybe use your Aiki awareness ...

But actual confrontation, with an animal five to ten times your strength with claws and teeth ... I don't think so.

It would be like that stupid cartoon short a few years ago, Godzilla and Bambi. Bambi comes out into the grassy field, then a big Godzilla foot squashes Bambi ... the end.
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Old 07-21-2002, 07:22 AM   #4
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That had to be one of the weirdest stories I've seen yet. LOL!

Gonna get serious for one sec though: Speaking as one who's come face-to-face with a bear, you can forget it: aside from possibly frightening the bear away, there's nothing at all one can do to survive a 'fight' with a bear - if it wants you dead, you will be. Period.

I'm only throwing that bit of deep, resounding woods-lore out (irony...)because I actually know people who, when I told them about my encounter, have told me "Aww, they're just animals, you can kill 'em with a knife, if it goes in the right place!"

LOL!! Good luck trying, idiots. My encounter was totally benign - I was hiking in British Columbia when a grizzly bear came onto the trail, stopped and looked at me. It was, I found out later, a young one, not fully grown, but it looked bloody huge to me. The size alone was terrifying enough, but I was shocked at the awesome, primal power radiating from the creature. I could feel it from thirty feet away. I've never, before or since, been so afraid in my life. Well, he just sort of shrugged (not a real shrug of course, but the only way I can describe the way he looked away, totally dismissing me) and ambled away. Upon reflection later, I realized that one of the things that stunned me the most was that he moved completely silently - hundreds of pounds of muscle, fur, teeth and claws, and not so much as a twig broken. Absolutely incredible.

I've seen, in documentaries, grizzlies run down and kill horses - they're that fast. I've seen them knock trees down with one paw swipe. But those 15 seconds - if that - taught me just what bears are all about, and I'm deeply grateful it happened.

Oh, BTW - I've got that commercial on my comp too - gotta be one of the funniest commercials ever made - I laugh myself sick every time I see it!

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Old 07-21-2002, 08:16 PM   #5
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Re: Throwing a Bear

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Jun Akiyama (akiy) wrote:
"Several of them ran toward the two animals and began kicking and stomping the bear. When it refused to let go of its meal, one of them actually picked the bear off the ground and threw it to one side. Only then did the bear release its grip and run back into the woods."

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I guess we all have our bears to cross

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Old 07-21-2002, 08:28 PM   #6
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Today in the news a 76 year old man from Akita Prefecture in Japan took out a bear. Apparently he figured his best chance was to apply a bear hug which he proceeded to do. Held on till the bear got tired. The bear was taller than he was.

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Old 07-22-2002, 10:40 PM   #7
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My friends dad wrestled a bear while on shore leave in the navy (the man not the bear). He said the trainer put mitts and a muzzle on the bear and the match started with a blow from the trainers whistle. Don (my friends dad) said he grappled with the bear for about 30 seconds to no affect. Then the trainer blew a different sound on his whistle and the bear swatted him once which drove him to the ground. Then the bear sat on him until the trainer got him off and gave him a treat. Don also told us of his friend who while hanging up "no trespassing" signs on hi property in Michigan's Upper Peninsula pulled some bushes aside and came face to face with a black bear. Out of sheer gut reaction he hit the bear in the nose with his ball pein hammer. The bear grunted and ran away and the guy peed his pants.

Not really relevant, I just like the stories

Bronson

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Old 07-28-2002, 12:15 AM   #8
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If you happen to be going somewhere where you think you might run into a brown bear, or even black bears, I'd say your best protection is scientifically derived knowledge. The best way to deal with an encounter can vary radically depending upon whether the bear has any prior familiarity with humans, whether you are dealing with a male or female, the age of the bear, and whether cubs are involved. The proper course of action in one situation can be suicidally improper in another. The best way to fight the bear is to avoid fighting the bear by taking proper precautions with food and other aspects of your behavior, and doing research beforehand.

As for me, if we're talking brown bears, in addition to the above, I'd carry a .357 magnum or a .45, just in case. I would rather not harm a bear, but if one became intent on eating me, I'd go for the reversal.

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Old 07-29-2002, 09:22 AM   #9
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found the attached picture the other day... thought it was relevent

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"A pacifist is not really a pacifist if he is unable to make a choice between violence and non-violence. A true pacifist is able to kill or maim in the blink of an eye, but at the moment of impending destruction of the enemy he chooses non-violence."
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Old 07-29-2002, 10:40 AM   #10
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Re: Throwing a Bear

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Jun Akiyama (akiy) wrote:
"Several of them ran toward the two animals and began kicking and stomping the bear. When it refused to let go of its meal, one of them actually picked the bear off the ground and threw it to one side. Only then did the bear release its grip and run back into the woods."



-- Jun
Well at least the bear showed some sense. Perhaps he had read some of the threads here on running away.

Or maybe he had seen the picture Bronson found.

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Old 08-15-2002, 06:29 AM   #11
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In terms of 'self-defence' for brown bears, I'd heard the following advice given from a warden to a friend of mine:

'If a brown bear attacks you, there is no possible way to defend yourself. Unless you get a really good gun shot wound in the face, it will easily kill you. However, since bears often bury their meat before consumption, you can crouch down in an attempt to protect your internal organs and head, whilst it mauls you. It will then dig a shallow hole and bury you. Wait for several hours until the bear has left the area, and then climb out and run away.'

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Old 08-15-2002, 06:46 AM   #12
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whilst it mauls you. It will then dig a shallow hole and bury you. Wait for several hours until the bear has left the area, and then climb out and run away.'
What on earth have you been reading?!

i've heard ppl say just drop dead you as good as, plus if the bear thinks your dead it might leave you alone, others have said back away slowly and quietly and when well and truely out of earshot run like your a$$ is on fire.

to fend off a bear you'd literaly have to take a weapon that would either blow it up or cleave it in half (a 6 ft kitana might work)

other then that pray lots for the last moments of your life,

tell you what tho if i was there and saw those ppl kicking the crap outa that bear i'd have kicked them all over the damn park, that story almost made me sick at what some ppl will actualy do just because they think an animal is cute or harmless.

i think denis leary said it best when he suggested we get all the animals lined up and have auditions

"And who are you?"

"i'm an otter"

"well what do you do?"

" i swim around on my back and do cute little human things with my hands!"

"Very well you may go"

"And who are you "

"I'm a cow"

"no way man in the truck pal were gonna serve you up for lunch"

i once caught some kids shooting at cats with an air rifle i happen to be a cat owner, but cats are ppls pets, lets just say they didnt do it again ::

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