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Old 07-26-2012, 05:59 AM   #26
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They could have been invented or applied by others...but they weren't. NASA provided the environment through government funding to allow those things to come to the market.

Same with Internet. Without DARPA, the internet would not have come about...or at least come about when it did.

It is a fact that government necessity...and War...have driven the train on many of the things we hold dear in our modern lives.

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Old 07-26-2012, 07:25 AM   #27
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Al Gore invented th internetz, not Darpa.

dps, "Simpsons did it!"
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Old 07-26-2012, 09:07 AM   #28
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Arguments about what NASA did and didn't do are beside the point. The contention that actions can have results beyond their obvious, tangible benefits is incontestable and is proven by Phi's example of being inspired. QED.
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Old 07-26-2012, 11:57 AM   #29
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Arguments about what NASA did and didn't do are beside the point. The contention that actions can have results beyond their obvious, tangible benefits is incontestable and is proven by Phi's example of being inspired. QED.
Absolutely. Inspiration is a wonderful fuel source, and is a central part of why I posted this thread. I doubt I would ever attempt to climb hundreds of feet without a rope, but the feat is demonstrative of at least part of the range of human potential. It can seem wreckless, and arguably is, but there was still considerable planning and training leading up to that point, showing the power of deliberate and disciplined actions.
As it relates to the value of NASA (and the Shuttle program), they endeavor (pun intended) to perform risky tasks to yield all manner of lessons. Arguably (I would disagree, but NASA in no small part created my love of science, so I'm biased), it's wasted large amounts of resources for little gain in some areas, but the point wasn't to make a profit so much as to advance our familiarity with a very inaccessible region of our knowledge. We can simulate a lot on Earth, but actually going out and doing it provides a kind of litmus test that I believe carries considerable value.
On a sadder note, I just realized I told Phi something he already knew when I mentioned what the LHC is in another thread. But seriously, left-hand corn is delicious.

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Old 07-26-2012, 12:33 PM   #30
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A good quote from Star Trek VI:

"...just because we can do a thing, it does not necessarily mean we must do that thing."

21st century humans are only just now realizing this, but I fear it won't be until the next couple centuries before they put that philosophy into action. I guess that's ironic, considering it's a philosophy of INACTION, essentially.
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Old 07-26-2012, 01:18 PM   #31
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A good quote from Star Trek VI:

"...just because we can do a thing, it does not necessarily mean we must do that thing."

21st century humans are only just now realizing this, but I fear it won't be until the next couple centuries before they put that philosophy into action. I guess that's ironic, considering it's a philosophy of INACTION, essentially.
I agree, but it's a fine line. Sometimes you have to push the envelope and sometimes you shouldn't. It's rarely clear as to which one is the best option.
These days, in the light of things like profound inequity, I tend to agree it would be better to work on problems which help those in serious need (e.g. solve the problem of clean water before solving the problem of building a better iPhone). While it's "awesome" to see people hiking or climbing to push themselves, wouldn't it be better if they were farming to feed underfed children? Or instead of chatting online, wouldn't it be better to be helping inner city youths? Just because we can sit in front of a computer screen doesn't mean we should...well I should, but I'm the exception that proves the rule.

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Old 07-26-2012, 01:34 PM   #32
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But seriously, left-hand corn is delicious.
especially when you impacted with high energy and made it pop, then pour on some very highly flavor substance from bovine. go great with some highly entertainment visualization.

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Old 07-26-2012, 01:43 PM   #33
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A good quote from Star Trek VI:

"...just because we can do a thing, it does not necessarily mean we must do that thing."

21st century humans are only just now realizing this, but I fear it won't be until the next couple centuries before they put that philosophy into action. I guess that's ironic, considering it's a philosophy of INACTION, essentially.
there are things that we need to do even when we don't realize we need it yet.

then there were some crazy sailor decided to take some ships across the ocean when folks told him that he would fall off the world or lost, but he went ahead and took his santa maria for a tour anyway.

then there was this old guy came up with some crazy idea about peaceful martial arts which was just crazy talk.

then there was this dude who talked about relative stuffs which everyone knew that one should not lend money to them.

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Old 07-26-2012, 03:30 PM   #34
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there are things that we need to do even when we don't realize we need it yet.

then there were some crazy sailor decided to take some ships across the ocean when folks told him that he would fall off the world or lost, but he went ahead and took his santa maria for a tour anyway.

then there was this old guy came up with some crazy idea about peaceful martial arts which was just crazy talk.

then there was this dude who talked about relative stuffs which everyone knew that one should not lend money to them.
Agreed. That's also why that Star Trek quote uses the most ambiguous term possible to describe what we should and should not be doing--"thing". It leaves it wide open to interpretation.

And that Einstein bloke did pave the way for the A-bomb and all the folks that subsequently died from it's use. But then of course many others may have been saved in the end. It's all open to speculation and interpretation...
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