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Old 07-03-2012, 08:17 AM   #1
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ukemi/Sugano Sensei's ideas

In a 4 part interview with Sugano Sensei on aikidoonline.com (http://www.aikidoonline.com/articles...view_Part4.php)

he says a couple of things about ukemi:

"Ukemi at present is also affected by developing an idea of teaching something or developing a system to teach, as well as the student also expecting to have instruction. That all has affected the idea of ukemi, and of how to do ukemi..... Ukemi is basically a heightened perception and reaction of your body. Once you formalize it, it's already artificial.

....One thing is that obviously you have to be able to roll backward and forward. The main idea for backward and forward rolling is to condition your muscles because you're not used to such training. It gives you a certain exercise, and that gives the conditioning for muscles, so forever you need to roll to maintain that conditioning, but that's the only reason you teach rolling backward and forward."

there's a lot of discussion on this forum about the value, or lack thereof, of ukemi.

what's your reaction to Sugano sensei's idea?

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Old 07-03-2012, 04:52 PM   #2
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Re: ukemi/Sugano Sensei's ideas

+1

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Old 07-03-2012, 05:16 PM   #3
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Re: ukemi/Sugano Sensei's ideas

Affect is an effect ...

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Old 05-10-2013, 12:49 PM   #4
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Re: ukemi/Sugano Sensei's ideas

Ukemi, YES! Always the first lesson. Learn to protect yourself. take a fall.
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Old 05-11-2013, 07:03 PM   #5
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Re: ukemi/Sugano Sensei's ideas

If you don't fall/roll on a regular basis in class, you'll be broken if you are "asked" to fall/roll out there with an "opponent," whether that opponent be actual friend or foe. It's that simple. That's why ukemi is so important. Survival is the goal of uke, and ukemi is the art of uke.

I find it interesting that the kanji character for kuzushi illustrates a mountain falling on a house.
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Old 05-12-2013, 01:07 PM   #6
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Re: ukemi/Sugano Sensei's ideas

The principle of "mutual welfare and benefit" requires that we learn to fall as well as throw. In addition to the safety and confidence this practice imparts, it is an essential part of understanding the more advanced techniques of Martial Arts. Unless one understands the correct positioning of uke (the one receiving the throw) it is difficult to fully master the action of tori (the thrower).

The traditional order of training is to move from the simple to the more difficult. At first practice falling from a low position and gradually move higher. First fall in place, then add movement. In the beginning move slowly and carefully, then increase speed. First fall by yourself, then have a partner throw you and repeat these steps (start with a low throw, no movement, and slowly).
Just keep practicing ;-)
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Old 05-12-2013, 06:39 PM   #7
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Re: ukemi/Sugano Sensei's ideas

Nice, but limited. How to roll is the part of ukemi you learn once and are done with. The more interesting part of ukemi is how to stay safe and in the game for potential kaeshiwaza.

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Old 05-12-2013, 09:19 PM   #8
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Re: ukemi/Sugano Sensei's ideas

Have to agree with Hugh on that one. Ukemi, once the honeymoon period wears off, is creating the environment for your partner to learn something and developing your gaeshiwaza.

If people are interested in conditioning and exercise, there are many better designed and better executed programs than falling and rolling around.

A good rule of thumb is to run, not walk, away from any martial arts teacher who claims you will acquire fitness and health from their training. Martial arts training has many benefits, including a brief and transitory novice effect, but fitness and health are acquired through years of consistent work (as it is defined by physics) and nutrition.
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