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Old 06-25-2012, 10:55 AM   #76
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Re: Randori...we don't do enough of it

I'm not going to add anything except to say that
1. Good randori in multiple partner practice is one of the arts true strengths.
2. Bad randori..is one it's most embarrassing weaknesses.
Thankfully, because of internet and cross training critique and analysis, more and more Aikido-ka are creating excellent randori training.
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Old 06-25-2012, 12:30 PM   #77
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Thank you Sensei for your words. I, for one, attended your seminar a few years ago in Ohio and learned many principles that translated both into moving meditation as well as into real world training. I hope to attend again.

Gassho,

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Old 06-25-2012, 03:38 PM   #78
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I find this a commonality as well. Its a difficult exercise to squeeze into a short class period so I think it gets glossed over a lot. It can be tricky to find enough qualified uke who don't mind revving it up some. Also, only one person can be nage at a time...hence the extra time consumption. Still, its a great equalizer. Often I've witnessed shinsa where the testing candidate displays excellent technique with his parters in one on one situations (especially predetermined uke), but start to fall apart, or at the very least display a noticeable dichotomy in skill, when it comes to randori (usually, in tests I've seen...the candidate has known uke for all requirements but whomever gets there first is uke in randori...especially when your talking 5+ person randori). It definitely is one of those things that could be practiced more. I recently had a discussion about this with my teacher.
Sometimes during practise we are taught to restrict ourselves to three particular techniques. The first 45 minutes we rehearse those three techniques and for the last 15 minutes we do randori based on those particualr techniques sometimes in groups of three or four.
Sometimes it helps to focus on various weaknesses during randori.
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Old 09-07-2012, 11:12 AM   #79
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At what aikido kyu grade is randori expected? Are there other aikido terms that is similar to jiju kumite?
In Seido karate, for example, jiju kumite is at the 4th Kyu and in Kuokushin karate, jissen kumite is at the 10th Kyu or as soon as possible.

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Old 09-07-2012, 12:50 PM   #80
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At what aikido kyu grade is randori expected? Are there other aikido terms that is similar to jiju kumite?
In Seido karate, for example, jiju kumite is at the 4th Kyu and in Kuokushin karate, jissen kumite is at the 10th Kyu or as soon as possible.
In our dojo it's only part of more advanced exams (2 kyu and up I think), but it is practised (occasionally) from about 5 kyu.
There is also jiyuwaza.
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Old 09-07-2012, 03:57 PM   #81
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At what aikido kyu grade is randori expected? Are there other aikido terms that is similar to jiju kumite?
In Seido karate, for example, jiju kumite is at the 4th Kyu and in Kuokushin karate, jissen kumite is at the 10th Kyu or as soon as possible.
Depends on the teacher. Everyone does randori from day one here. Even kids.

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Old 09-11-2012, 02:37 AM   #82
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Re: Randori...we don't do enough of it

It might be cool to do some randori while wearing protective gear, has anyone ever done this? It seems like it would allow the uke to really attack without fear of really hurting nage, and that by doing this, nage could learn how to deal with truly aggressive attacks. Or maybe some of you do truly attack with intent of seriously harming nage without protective gear? If you do, I would expect alot of injuries and a general lack of students willing to throw themselves in front of the train. I know this go's against tradition, but im curious....have any of you done this? And if so, what do you think about it?

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