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Old 08-06-2012, 09:54 AM   #76
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Re: What is atemi really for?

Chris, not sure exactly how you are defining Atemi...but I don't think it is true that all martial arts technques start with atemi. For example I can tackle someone or push them over a couch, or even a cliff and end the fight right there. I can grab them, move them and place them in a position with flex cuffs that involves no hitting at all. They may still have the desire to fight, but no longer possess the means. Personally for me, I don't care too much about their will or desire, I care primarily about their means.

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Old 08-06-2012, 10:38 AM   #77
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Chris, not sure exactly how you are defining Atemi...but I don't think it is true that all martial arts technques start with atemi. For example I can tackle someone or push them over a couch, or even a cliff and end the fight right there. I can grab them, move them and place them in a position with flex cuffs that involves no hitting at all. They may still have the desire to fight, but no longer possess the means. Personally for me, I don't care too much about their will or desire, I care primarily about their means.
ha hah, defined as the "initial move." the initial move can be the direct hit or seize, obviously, but for vs. a stronger, more prepared, opponent, that distraction can help make it happen.

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Old 08-06-2012, 01:08 PM   #78
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Re: What is atemi really for?

You can't suddenly redefine Atemi as the "initial move".
Atemi is striking the opponent, and not gently.
I'll go along with what Simon said ititially, but he got disagreed with plenty, so ... oh well.

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Old 08-06-2012, 02:48 PM   #79
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Re: What is atemi really for?

Here is an interesting article talking about atemi http://www.aikidotakemusu.org/en/art...ractice-aikido

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Old 08-08-2012, 08:59 PM   #80
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Re: What is atemi really for?

I do not buy an explanation of atemi that empowers nage and not uke. Atemi is striking and may be employed by either uke or nage. You cannot create a structure for nage atemi and then say, "but uke should not do this."

Atemi is striking, a tool. Don't give it morals, or romance, or fantastic powers.

Ledyard sensei's article is a very good read.
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Old 08-25-2012, 10:51 AM   #81
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Re: What is atemi really for?

Atemi can be used for a number of purposes of course, but I tend to see these purposes as summarised by saying that atemi gives tori the opportunity to blend. In circumstances where there is either nothing to blend with or blending leaves oneself vulnerable, atemi can be applied.
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Old 08-25-2012, 11:24 AM   #82
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Atemi is striking, a tool. Don't give it morals, or romance, or fantastic powers.
Nicely said.

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Old 08-25-2012, 11:58 AM   #83
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Re: What is atemi really for?

atemi is important in aiki-jujutsu. The way my instructors have explained its importance is that in self-defence situations it can help to change your attacker's mindset from predator to prey - by delivering an atemi it shifts their mindset, even if only momentarily giving you a small window to execute a technique. Sometimes when an attacker doesn't over extend themselves naturally, atemi is important to off-balance them so as to be used as an aid to aiki.

In the kata, for example ude osae dori, uke grabs and with their free arm goes to strike while tori delivers an atemi pre-emptively in order to block the strike and allow the space and time necessary to perform the technique.
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Old 08-27-2012, 11:34 AM   #84
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Re: What is atemi really for?

an aikidoka/sensei told me atemi is 90% of aikido, however, i rarely see any atemi practice in aikido dojo, so I had better keep up with my karate training, concurrently.

dang, those back of wrist push up hurt so good.

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Old 08-27-2012, 11:43 AM   #85
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Re: What is atemi really for?

Atemi meets. Atemi has the effect of realigning and diffusing. Atemi is part of ikkyo I would say.

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