Welcome to AikiWeb Aikido Information
AikiWeb: The Source for Aikido Information
AikiWeb's principal purpose is to serve the Internet community as a repository and dissemination point for aikido information.

Sections
home
aikido articles
columns

Discussions
forums
aikiblogs

Databases
dojo search
seminars
image gallery
supplies
links directory

Reviews
book reviews
video reviews
dvd reviews
equip. reviews

News
submit
archive

Miscellaneous
newsletter
rss feeds
polls
about

Follow us on



Home > AikiWeb Aikido Forums
Go Back   AikiWeb Aikido Forums > General

Hello and thank you for visiting AikiWeb, the world's most active online Aikido community! This site is home to over 22,000 aikido practitioners from around the world and covers a wide range of aikido topics including techniques, philosophy, history, humor, beginner issues, the marketplace, and more.

If you wish to join in the discussions or use the other advanced features available, you will need to register first. Registration is absolutely free and takes only a few minutes to complete so sign up today!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 08-27-2000, 05:09 AM   #26
DJM
Dojo: Two Rivers Dojo, York
Location: York, England
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 47
Offline
Quote:
Nick wrote:
I agree with that method, but I also think that they should judge the individual by his waza and attitude, not his age...

I'm sorry, I'm prejudiced in this matter because of the amount I've been judged and setback because of my age...

Thanks for letting me act grumpy,

-Nick
Nick,
I can apreciate where you might have problems with the way you're treated - more a problem with individuals than any organisations though, surely?
At the end of the day however, what does it matter? Will not being able to grade for shodan change your Aikido? Will it make your training time any less valuable?
If anything your time will probably be more productive without that shodan, from what I hear... (Not dissing yudansha here, merely that I've heard the nature of your training changes once you've got your shodan..)

Revel in your early Aikido career, and don't worry about days/hours/years...

Peace,
David

Sunset Shimmering,
On Water, Placid and Calm,
A Fish Touches Sky
--
David Marshall
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-27-2000, 06:46 AM   #27
Nick
Location: Atlanta, GA
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 563
United_States
Offline
heh- I don't really have to worry about getting a dan rank until I have a kyu rank .

What I was complaining about was how people hear I'm 14 and assume that my training is some kind of game...

Sorry again, it's early and I didn't sleep well... getting easily angered in my old age .

Ja,

-Nick

---
Nick Porter
"Do not fall into the trap of the artisan who boasts twenty years of experience, when in fact he has had only one year of experience-- twenty times."
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-28-2000, 05:19 PM   #28
Nick
Location: Atlanta, GA
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 563
United_States
Offline
anyone else have an opinion on children training? just wonderin cuz this is gettin kinda low on the list...

-Nick

---
Nick Porter
"Do not fall into the trap of the artisan who boasts twenty years of experience, when in fact he has had only one year of experience-- twenty times."
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2000, 06:11 AM   #29
JJF
 
JJF's Avatar
Dojo: Vestfyn Aikikai Denmark
Location: Vissenbjerg
Join Date: Jul 2000
Posts: 781
Denmark
Offline
Just a little story...

In my dojo there used to be a very capable young guy who got his Shodan at (I think) the age of 15 or 16. He has left the country by now unfortunately, but he was both very dedicated and very mature for his age.

At the same time there was a student who was in his mid or late 40's who practised for a loooooong time - never getting his Shodan. I once overheard one of the instructors say that this guy was ready for Shodan when it came to techniques and knowledge but his attitude lacked some qualities. I can not say exactly what was missing, but I always had a bad experience practising with this guy. He was always trying to dominate everybody else and had a very hostile attitude towards beginners (Something like: "You are not good enough for me to practice with, so you should be grateful that I will lower my standards and teach you anyway"). In the end he was given Shodan and quickly left the dojo to start his own dojo somewhere else in our town.

Just thought I would share these experiences….

- Jørgen Jakob Friis

Inspiration - Aspiration - Perspiration
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2000, 08:08 AM   #30
Simone
Dojo: Augsburg/Haunstetten
Location: Germany
Join Date: Jul 2000
Posts: 69
Germany
Offline
Hi Silver Tiger, hi Nick!

I'm 28 now and started Aikido 4 years ago in our University Club. But I train in other clubs, too and I know people who started with 8 as well as with 63. I agree with all previous writers that the right attitude is important, not age or gender or so.

I also assist in our childrens class (10 - 14 years). I discovered that for most of them Aikido serves a very diffrent purpose (sort of a funny game) than for adults. And I noticed that they don't learn as quick as most of the older beginners. Mostly about 14, they take Aikido and the training more serious. But that's only for most of the children. Without doubt, there are some who develop earlier. But they are rare.

For me personally, I think, 24 was a good age to start and I hope to enjoy many coming years with practising Aikido.

Simone
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2000, 08:33 AM   #31
chillzATL
Location: ATL
Join Date: Jul 2000
Posts: 847
United_States
Offline
Quote:
Nick wrote:
anyone else have an opinion on children training? just wonderin cuz this is gettin kinda low on the list...

-Nick
I'll throw in my two cents on the children training issue. I think it's a good thing when it's done properly. It gives a good measure of physical, emotional and self-spirit training. The problem is that many martial arts only bother teaching the physical part and leave the rest out. So you get 16 year old kids who have been training for several years and have an ego bigger than themselves. They are always ready to "show someone" what they know and brag about and aren't mature enough to understand the ramifications of those things. When the training is done properly it's a very good thing though.
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2000, 10:33 PM   #32
Magma
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 168
Offline
Wink

A poetry professor of mine told us that when someone asked you how long it took you to write a particular poem, you should answer, "My whole life." Because, honestly, everything that you've seen and said and done and chased and hid behind and jumped off of and rolled in and felt and not felt and been given and watched and worn and endured ---- all of that goes into your art, whatever that art may be.

With that understood, I've been training my 26 years.

M.

Tim
It's a sad irony: In U's satori, he forgot every technique he ever knew; since then, generations of doka have spent their whole careers trying to remember.
  Reply With Quote
Old 08-29-2000, 11:26 PM   #33
Erik
Location: Bay Area
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 1,200
Offline
Quote:
akiy wrote:
According to the documentation I have from Aikikai Hombu Dojo, one must be at least 15 years old for shodan. At least one year must have passed since then with 200 training days for nidan. Two years after that and 300 training days, one can test for sandan. Two years and 300 training days must pass before yondan.

-- Jun
Jeez, I shoulda went to Japan. Those are about 1/2 what I'm used to seeing.

To the original question. Started at 23 and I'm 35 now. 28 is as good as any other time to start.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2009, 08:54 PM   #34
ninjaqutie
 
ninjaqutie's Avatar
Dojo: Searching for a new home
Location: Delaware (<3 still in Oregon!)
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,002
United_States
Offline
Re: How old were you when you began...

I started aikijitsu when I was 15 and started aikido when I was 24. I am now 25....

~Look into the eyes of your opponent & steal his spirit.
~To be a good martial artist is to be good thief; if you want my knowledge, you must take it from me.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2009, 09:09 PM   #35
tim evans
Location: The lake
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 195
United_States
Offline
Re: How old were you when you began...

I started when I was 40 now a year later testing this week for the first time. One of our instructors is 81 and he moves and throws like someone in there 20,s .
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2009, 10:50 PM   #36
raul rodrigo
Location: Quezon City
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 777
Philippines
Offline
Re: How old were you when you began...

I started at 31 and am now 44.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-14-2009, 10:58 PM   #37
mjhacker
 
mjhacker's Avatar
Dojo: Renshinkan
Location: Arizona
Join Date: Sep 2000
Posts: 198
United_States
Offline
Re: How old were you when you began...

I started martial arts in the mid-late 70s with Tae Kwon Do, Okinawan Karate, and Hapkido as a youth. As an adult, I trained in various Chinese and Japanese arts until I started studying Aikido in Japan somewhere around my 20th birthday. I'm 40 now. You do the math. ;-)

Michael Hacker
Jiyūshin-ryū AikiBudō - Renshinkan
http://renshindojo.com/

自由心流合気武道 - 鍛心館
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2009, 12:22 AM   #38
Linda Eskin
 
Linda Eskin's Avatar
Dojo: Aikido of San Diego, San Diego, California
Location: San Diego County, California
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 332
United_States
Offline
Re: How old were you when you began...

Quote:
Jun Akiyama wrote: View Post
... George Leonard sensei started aikido when he was 47 years old and thirty years later, he's now 5th dan. ...
I started when I was 46. Now 47, and testing for 6th kyu next weekend. George Leonard Sensei is one of my heros and inspirations.

Linda Eskin - Facebook | My AikiBlog

"Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train." - Morihei Ueshiba
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2009, 05:02 AM   #39
Eva Antonia
Dojo: CERIA
Location: Brussels
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 212
Belgium
Offline
Re: How old were you when you began...

Hello,

I started with 38 and am now 41. In our dojo is a guy of 17 who is something like my aikido twin; we started at the same time, got graded at the same time, are those with the most flexible bodies (on whom you have to twist endlessly until nikkyo/sankyo works...), don't progress extremely quickly with the learning process and are those who show most regularly up at the dojo. I don't see any age related difference in our aikido, and I certainly don't see any lack of maturity in that guy. No ego issues, no bragging, no fixation of "when do I merit my hakama", no tendency to show others what they do wrong, just a very nice aikidoka.

But for "real" children it is different. Most of them are not really serious. My elder son does aikido since he is 8; he is now 10 and 4th kyu and I think he is really talented, but he is not very balanced emotionally. Refuses to train with X or Y, starts crying when some techniques don't work...I hope it will improve when he grows up. He's more serious when training with adults or with complete beginners, but when he's training with his sisters or some middling kyu kids he can be a real jerk. My daughters started at nearly six, and for them it's just playing. They learn something, but, as someone else already stated, smaller kids learn much, much slower than adults! I think they don't have the understanding of the mechanics behind it....I don't really know.

Best regards,

Eva
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2009, 06:37 AM   #40
allowedcloud
Location: Ohio
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 82
United_States
Offline
Re: How old were you when you began...

I started Aikido looooooong after this thread was created
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2009, 06:38 AM   #41
lbb
Location: Massachusetts
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 3,058
United_States
Offline
Re: How old were you when you began...

Most people who start aikido (or anything else) when they're five have probably quit well before they're ten. OTOH, most people who start aikido when they're 28 have quit before they're 29. Looking back and saying, "Wow, I wish I'd started this years ago, then I'd be real good now!" is a mistake for this reason; likewise, looking ahead and saying, "Hmm, I wonder if I can be shodan by the time I'm 30?" or whatever.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2009, 07:08 AM   #42
YogaRen
Dojo: The little dojo in the Woods.
Location: Houston, TX
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 22
United_States
Offline
Re: How old were you when you began...

I started five months ago. I am 30.

Trusting the process.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2009, 07:30 AM   #43
lbb
Location: Massachusetts
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 3,058
United_States
Offline
Re: How old were you when you began...

Quote:
Joshua Landin wrote: View Post
I started Aikido looooooong after this thread was created
Oh jeez, another ancient thread resurrected. Ashley!
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2009, 09:03 AM   #44
Amir Krause
Dojo: Shirokan Dojo / Tel Aviv Israel
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 675
Israel
Offline
Re: How old were you when you began...

And while reading this thread - I was wondering, how many of those who wrote in it when it was started (Aug 2000) are still training today?

Amir

P.S.
I started when I was about 17.5, will celebrate my 37th birthday next week, and wondering if I wish to bring something with me to the dojo and celebrate there too (as I often did along the years).
My younger brother started with me (he was 13 at the time) and he too still comes too (though less frequently).
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2009, 09:19 AM   #45
Keith Larman
Dojo: AIA, Los Angeles, CA
Location: California
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 1,604
United_States
Offline
Re: How old were you when you began...

Amir, funny, I was wondering how many who have posted on Aikiweb started and quit in the time before Ashley posted...

  Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2009, 11:00 AM   #46
JO
Dojo: Aikikai de l'Université Laval
Location: Sainte-Catherine-de-la-J.-C., Québec
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 292
Canada
Offline
Re: How old were you when you began...

I started at 23, it's been 10 years.

PS- nothing wrong with an old thread if there is something new to add. Better than a dozen threads all on the same topic.

Jonathan Olson
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2009, 11:14 AM   #47
ninjaqutie
 
ninjaqutie's Avatar
Dojo: Searching for a new home
Location: Delaware (<3 still in Oregon!)
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 1,002
United_States
Offline
Re: How old were you when you began...

Quote:
Mary Malmros wrote: View Post
Oh jeez, another ancient thread resurrected. Ashley!
Hehe.... You can expect more if I come across some interesting ones. I have been backreading. I started at the end of the posts and I got to page 160 last night. You wouldn't believe how many Steven Seagal posts there are back there as well!

I thought it would be interesting to have imput from all of you. My husband always gets on me because I usually ask people "How long have you been training?" once I get to know someone fairly well. I find that that question or how old were you when you started seem more appropriate then "What rank are you?"

As for those of you wondering about the previous poster's..... I had thought the exact same thing!

~Look into the eyes of your opponent & steal his spirit.
~To be a good martial artist is to be good thief; if you want my knowledge, you must take it from me.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2009, 12:27 PM   #48
David Maidment
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 149
United Kingdom
Offline
Re: How old were you when you began...

I started training when I was eight. Or maybe ten? My mind fails me...

I'm twenty-four now, but I had about ten or more years off after being a stubborn kid and quitting. I've been back at it for a year and a half. All-in-all, I reckon I have somewhere between two-to-four years under my humble orange belt.

To be honest, I'm glad that I quit when I was younger. And also that I trained during that period. I learnt my 'elastic ukemi' while I was still flexible, but didn't pick up enough bad kiddie habits that it would have messed up my training when I became a teenager. Now I'm older I can train seriously without much difficulty, because the movement is all natural to me. Best of both worlds.

"Never escalate a battle unless forced to do so by your enemy" - Zordon
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2009, 02:59 PM   #49
Kevin Karr
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 41
United_States
Offline
Re: How old were you when you began...

I first started Aikido when I was around 21. I studied regularly for about a year and then I moved. After moving, I trained at a new place for about 6 months to a year but their style of training did not really suit me so I discontinued my practice at that time. However, I wasn't finished with Aikido and I knew it. I just needed to find the right people and the right place...

Flash forward 8 years. Just as a very long-term relationship came to a close, Aikido appeared back in my life. The right group of people training under the right teacher involved with a good organization manifested themselves before me. I have been training solidly for the past 2 years.
  Reply With Quote
Old 09-15-2009, 03:08 PM   #50
Shadowfax
 
Shadowfax's Avatar
Dojo: Allegheny Aikido, Pitsburgh PA
Location: Pittsburgh PA
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 917
United_States
Offline
Re: How old were you when you began...

I am 39 with no history of martial arts at all. My only real sports type history is in horseback riding. Just started Aikido in June this year. I am thoroughly enjoying my classes and, I think, learning at a pretty decent rate. Certainly its not as easy for a more mature body to get into such a physical activity but I am seeing a lot of benefits from the activity.
  Reply With Quote

Please visit our sponsor:

AikiWeb Sponsored Links - Place your Aikido link here for only $10!



Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Panic Attack On the Mat Ari Bolden General 23 04-27-2014 12:59 PM
Ok I finally did it! Williamross77 Introductions 11 10-03-2004 11:07 PM
Just maybe I figured something out? DaveO Spiritual 15 05-31-2004 10:10 AM
Why Test? Christopher Latkowski Testing 50 05-02-2004 05:13 AM
Systema Seminar with Vladimir Vasiliev, Part 1 aikibaka131 Seminars 2 07-22-2003 01:45 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:07 PM.



vBulletin Copyright © 2000-2016 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited
----------
Copyright 1997-2016 AikiWeb and its Authors, All Rights Reserved.
----------
For questions and comments about this website:
Send E-mail
plainlaid-picaresque outchasing-protistan explicantia-altarage seaford-stellionate