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Old 03-21-2011, 11:20 PM   #1
RonRagusa
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One Hundred and Ninety

Disclaimer

This post concerns the 'connection' that occurs between uke and nage in Aikido. It is in no way a commentary on the topic of internal strength or internal power, choose the term you prefer, which I consider to be a totally separate issue.

Introduction

Connection is essential if Aikido waza is to be executed with aiki as opposed to the application of brute force alone. As such, it's important to examine ways in which connection between uke and nage can first be established and then strengthened so as to facilitate the application of technique.

This past weekend George Ledyard sensei conducted a seminar in Bedford Hills, NY that dealt with this topic. I was fortunate to be able to attend the Friday night class and examine the ideas and methodology behind George's exploration of connection in light of my own experience as an Aikido practitioner. To that end I decided that my best course of action was to leave my body of knowledge 'at the door', practice the exercises as closely to how they were demonstrated as possible and not fall back on what I would normally do when I got uncomfortable with material presented in new and unfamiliar ways.

Convergence and Divergence

Connection is the goal. How to learn to establish connection and execute waza with aiki (the spirit of connection) forms the foundation of a methodology of teaching that will eventually take the student to the goal. Until Friday night's class I had been exposed to a single teaching paradigm for learning to connect with uke's center in order to effectively execute technique. George's presentation brought to light another way of achieving the same goal. Afterwards, when comparing his take with my own experience I noticed that there were areas where our two paradigms converged and areas where they diverged. In the following paragraphs I'll attempt to delineate where these convergences and divergences occur.

The Paradigms

I'll refer to the operational methodologies of teaching and practicing connection as body-centric and feeling-centric.

Note - My opinions expressed herein about George's presentation are based on two short hours of instruction and the reader should be aware that I'm giving my recollection of what I heard and was shown. Please allow room for error.)

The body-centric approach, as presented by George, was illustrated by practicing exercises that required us to perform specific physical movements with 'intent' (unified body and mind) in order to connect with uke's center, and when successfully connected, go on and perform, say, a tenkan movement or ikkyo against a katate kosa tori grab. Implicit in the teaching was the idea that both uke and nage should reach for each others' center in a way that goes beyond the physical connection. The body-centric approach teaches both uke and nage effective mechanical means which, when coupled with intent, allows them to merge and unify their centers. The exercises George had us practice had the form of some of the paired Ki exercises that we have in our Ki syllabus but with the emphasis put on body mechanics and intent to achieve the desired outcome. I noticed that I had trouble when I had to execute moves in a specific sequence of steps as opposed to my normal way of moving which, for lack of a better descriptor, is all at once. A two hour class is too short a time for me to gather enough information to comment on this method of teaching/learning in any more than a cursory fashion.

The feeling-centric approach, as we practice it, requires the student enter into a process of self discovery via repetitious practice of paired Ki exercises in order to connect with his/her partner's center. Mechanical instruction is kept to a minimum beyond setting up the parameters of the exercise being performed. Like the body-centric approach, proper intent is required in order to unify body and mind in order to obtain this 'correct feeling'. Both uke and nage are encouraged to perform the exercise with the same goal in mind. The feeling-centric approach teaches uke and nage to merge and unify their centers by experimenting until correct feeling is achieved and the exercise can be repeated successfully over a number of iterations. Very little guidance is provided in the way of body mechanics. The student is encouraged to rely on what feels right for the given exercise. Subsequent repetitions of the exercise reinforce correct feeling and strengthen it. Learning this way requires that uke provide appropriate resistance based on the level of nage's ability. Uke will stress nage to the point of failure and then after holding there slowly push just slightly beyond.

For both paradigms, once connection is established it can be strengthened by increased force applied in the form of push, pull, lift, press tests or by gradually increasing resistance applied by uke in the direction nage is looking to move.


Convergence/Divergence

The systems 'converge' at points in the list below.
  1. Unification of mind and body
  2. Importance of moving with intent
  3. Establishment of center to center connection
  4. Non-reliance on muscle power
The systems diverge at points in the list below (in body-centric - feeling-centric format).
  1. Body mechanics - correct feeling
  2. Applying technique - letting technique emerge
  3. Application of control over uke - giving uke freedom of movement (within the context of staying safe)
With the exception of number 4, the systems converge at what I call soft points. Soft points are those aspects of Aikido that can be considered somewhat intangible due to the lack of physical representation. The systems diverge at what I call hard points. Hard points are those aspects of Aikido that possess real world existence. Hard points are the way of getting there, soft points become evident when I've arrived.


Summary


Note - Don't take the physics metaphors that follow too literally, in fact, don't take them at all literally.


The body-centric approach is a lot like classical physics in that given a set of initial conditions, with the proper application of mechanics within the structure of the idea framework, the desired result can be made to happen.


The feeling-centric approach is more like quantum mechanics in that due to the fluid nature of an encounter initial conditions do not necessarily indicate the exact direction of the eventual outcome. The nature of the uke/nage relationship is 'fuzzy' and the result is allowed to emerge as a consequence of the evolution of the action.

Thanks again George for a very stimulating two hours.






(Original blog post may be found here.)
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Old 03-22-2011, 03:07 AM   #2
Nicholas Eschenbruch
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Re: One Hundred and Ninety

Ron,
thank you very much for this report. I find it fascinating because I have been wondering about differences in emphasis amongst some of my teachers which seem to be very, very close to the differences in emphasis you describe (though in different lineage backgrounds to what you and George do).

I have also been wondering whether there is an "emotional/ feeling" way of teaching corrrect body organisation, and a more "technical" one, and what that means - for teaching methodology, but also for the more general goals of aikido practice.

It's always inspiring to hear how people go out to meet each other, experiment and share.
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Old 03-22-2011, 03:29 PM   #3
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Re: One Hundred and Ninety

Thanks for sharing the experience Ron. It puts a lot of things in perspective for me insomuch as what it is that's being talked about by those involved.

I loved that you left your own way at the door and proceeded to experience as a true student. Very honourable and respectful.

I also like the fact you can thereafter see the similarities and also the differences. You put it in such a way that I felt I was there.

I'm sure you must have learned a lot about that way of doing things and even more about your way. Excellent. Well done.

For whatever reason your write up on the experience has made my day. Thanks again.

Regards.G.
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Old 03-22-2011, 10:37 PM   #4
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Re: One Hundred and Ninety

Nicholas, Graham -

Glad you found the post informative and enjoyable. One of the things I love about Aikido is that it is so adaptable to varied teaching paradigms.

Best,

Ron
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Old 03-24-2011, 08:05 AM   #5
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Re: One Hundred and Ninety

Nicely said, Ron. IMO, there are not two paradigms, just two sides of the same one. One side is bringing you to your objective via a physical path and the other side via a mental path. Since your connection objective requires a coordinated mind and body, you need to have both to be successful.

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Old 03-28-2011, 11:50 AM   #6
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Re: One Hundred and Ninety

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Greg Steckel wrote: View Post
Nicely said, Ron. IMO, there are not two paradigms, just two sides of the same one. One side is bringing you to your objective via a physical path and the other side via a mental path. Since your connection objective requires a coordinated mind and body, you need to have both to be successful.

Greg
Hi Greg -

I assume you refer to the body-centric approach when you speak of the physical path and the feeling-centric approach when you speak of the mental path.

In the feeling-centric approach the feeling portion of feeling-centric doesn't refer to the normal emotional based feelings like love, hate, envy and such. When I speak of feeling in the feeling-centric approach I am talking about how the execution of a particular exercise physically feels within my body. Recognition and analysis of points of tension, relaxation, force vectors, points of force application etc. are ways that I am able to feel how my performance of an exercise allows me to or keeps me from creating a connection with my partner's center.

Instead of trying to connect via a specific set of movements, I am free to work through the exercise in a variety of ways in order to determine how to most efficiently connect with my partner. So I see both approaches as inherently physically based.

I believe both approaches have a mental component in common; that is the correct focus and application of intent in order to unify body and mind. Correct application of mechanics will limit me to pure physical power without coordination of body and mind. Likewise, without the focus of intent I will not be able to recognize and analyse what I'm feeling when being confronted by my partner. Both systems require coordinated body and mind in order to successfully establish the center to center connection we are discussing.

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Ron
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