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Old 06-06-2002, 07:25 AM   #26
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I highly doubt that weight lifting has to be a hindrance to Aikido progress. From what I've read (don't remember where--probably just regurgitating something I heard on this board. Sorry to be redundant ), O'Sensei himself was kind of a nut when it came to building muscle. He even had his tools modified so that he could build muscle while he was working in his garden. My personal take is that using lightweights to increase tone and endurance is a smart way to go, and as long as you stretch as regularly as you lift, you'll be fine. You also have to learn to realize when you have tension in your body, and be able to relax it; this could be where the downfall may come for some: not being able to relax, not muscle mass. And even otherwise sedentary people have trouble with relaxing.

Just some ramblings pieced together from limited experience and disjointed memories.

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Old 06-06-2002, 05:57 PM   #27
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Re: Weight lifting and Aikido

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I am new to aikido, having been traing in the art for about 2 months. I absolutely love it.
I used to lift weights about 6 years ago, and I'm thinking about purchasing a weight set for my home. I train at my dojo 3 times a week and I practice at home by myself on the days I don't go. I thought it would be great to intergrate a weight lifting program (utilizing light weights) into my daily stretching and aikido practice.
My only concern is that some of the literature have I read says that muscle mass is usually a no-no when it comes to aikido. I want greater hand and lower abdomen strength, along with a healthier body all around. Will weightlifting have a detrimental effect on my progression in aikido? If not, where could I learn about which excercises would best supplement my aikido training? Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
Hi! for me aikido and weights can mix coz I also do what your doing now but I guest there's one important thing to remember. Aikido teaches us to use our inner strength or what we call KI so physical KI or physical strength does not really pack alot with the arts but it does help with achieving related stuffs like keeping yourself fit for practices specially at times when your sensei gets mad and makes you all go backward roll around the mat.

I remember when I was a beginner I though I need strength to apply a nikyo hold but now the gentler I become the greater the pain I can inflict with the art. so you see thats why I love the saying "From Strength learn gentleness, Thru strength achieve strength" but I can't speak for everyone just me.

Hope this helps.
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Old 06-06-2002, 06:00 PM   #28
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Re: Re: Weight lifting and Aikido

I think I got the saying wrong its actually like this " From Strength learn gentleness, Thru gentleness achieve strength" jeezzz I hate it when I do that.
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Old 07-29-2002, 06:27 PM   #29
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I started lifting again after many years of absence and I have noticed that for one thing my ukemi has become much better. The arm and shoulder strength gained especially gives me more control(speed and extension) with my forward rolls.

Below is a weight lifting routine that was posted on another forum that some of you may find helpful, I am starting to incorporate some it for turning power and such.

Plus I think you may want to work on gripping strength with hand and forarm exercises.

"(sets x reps)

Day 1 (Max Tension):

Deadlifts (Clean Grip) - 5 x 3

Ab-Wheel (or Barbell) rollouts - 5 x 5

Woodchoppers (Hi-Cable) or Russian Twists - 3 x 8

Day 2 (Power Endurance & Recovery):

1-Arm Dumbell Swings or Snatches - 1 x 20

Bicycle Crunches FAST - 1 x MAX

Day 3 (Max Power):

Power Cleans from Knee - 5 x 3

Explosive Weighted Situps - 5 x 5

Explosive Dumbell Standing Trunk

Twists - 5 x 5

all bar lifts should be done with a thick bar (2") or a bar wrapped with a towel to make it thick, to help the grip.

All excercises focus on a united movement of the body, with strong focus on the strength of the abdominals, for fast irimi and powerful kaiten, respectively.

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Old 07-29-2002, 06:42 PM   #30
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I have to say thank you all for all the great suggestions and advice concerning working out and Aikido! I really appreciate it! Anyone know whether or not it's cooler to be more slender or the bodybuilder type for Aikido I lost 33lbs putting me at 170. Plan on going down another ten, change my workout from a pound shedding one to a strength building one. I'm sure to add more muscle mass, how will this affect my training? Any clues?

Thanks again!
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I started lifting again after many years of absence and I have noticed that for one thing my ukemi has become much better. The arm and shoulder strength gained especially gives me more control(speed and extension) with my forward rolls.

Below is a weight lifting routine that was posted on another forum that some of you may find helpful, I am starting to incorporate some it for turning power and such.

Plus I think you may want to work on gripping strength with hand and forarm exercises.

"(sets x reps)

Day 1 (Max Tension):

Deadlifts (Clean Grip) - 5 x 3

Ab-Wheel (or Barbell) rollouts - 5 x 5

Woodchoppers (Hi-Cable) or Russian Twists - 3 x 8

Day 2 (Power Endurance & Recovery):

1-Arm Dumbell Swings or Snatches - 1 x 20

Bicycle Crunches FAST - 1 x MAX

Day 3 (Max Power):

Power Cleans from Knee - 5 x 3

Explosive Weighted Situps - 5 x 5

Explosive Dumbell Standing Trunk

Twists - 5 x 5

all bar lifts should be done with a thick bar (2") or a bar wrapped with a towel to make it thick, to help the grip.

All excercises focus on a united movement of the body, with strong focus on the strength of the abdominals, for fast irimi and powerful kaiten, respectively.

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Old 07-29-2002, 07:51 PM   #31
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...I noticed a bad side effect from heavy training. My muscle memory changed. When I met heavy resistance from partners it wanted to muscle it like lifting heavy weights instead of re-directing and moving fluidly.
This is perhaps the most significant post on this whole thread. As tori (nage), we are creating weakness in uke's posture and not allowing them to regain use-able posture. We ally ourselves with gravity. Lifting weights pits oneself against gravity, which does have positive side-effects on the human body if done correctly. But it does have a very different neurological response to applied force than what is taught in Aikido (at least what I hope is taught). I think that Aikido training (especially ukemi) creates great muscle tone, but if you are concerned with weak joints, especially how it relates to injuries, lifting weights is great.
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...Healthy variation in joint ROM (Range of Motion, emphasis mine) or "flexibility" is almost entirely a matter of the muscles, and is largely neurological.

...In my opinion, strength plays a much more important role than flexibility in injury prevention. If a force threatens a joint, the best defense is the strength and integrity of the surrounding musculature to protect it, to maintain alignment, and to cue the rest of the body to yield if the force is too much to resist, NOT more ROM in the joint.

The type of strength is important too. Isometric and quasi-isometric stength, as well as the ability of a muscle to rapidly deccelerate and reverse a force are key for injury prevention, once a certain level of raw strength and size in acheived.

...people often emphasize proper form without realizing that a particular student simply doesn't have enough strength to execute it. Aikido is easily as athletically demanding as many team sports, yet proper conditioning and physical preparation is often neglected...
This was another terribly insightful post on a different thread that is equally valid here. Kevin is a fitness trainer who, from the sounds of it, has his head firmly on his shoulders. Personally, I like swimming as a complement to my Aikido training for muscular tone, flexibility and cardiovascular fitness. It is also less jarring on my joints.

As a side note.... Donn Draeger co-wrote a book in the 1960s called Judo Training Methods. It was instrumental in changing the training methodology of Kodokan Judo into what it is today. His point was that if a judo player worked on physical fitness as well as the training regiment (kata, randori, shiai), they would do better in tournaments. Unfortunately, people took an extreme approach and thought what he said meant it would make them better at Judo. My teacher says they substituted weight training for waza, and Judo became a sport, kyogi, and lost its budo roots. As long as fitness is a complement to training, doing something like one-finger pushups is acceptable. But when it becomes the focus of training, any budo withers at the root and rots.

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Old 07-29-2002, 07:58 PM   #32
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My prescription for a basic resistance training routine for Aikido is quite different from Mr. Neal's. I think his is too heavy on the abs and power exercises, and neglects what I think are the two key issues for most Aikidoka: squat/lunge strength and shoulder stability. Power exercises, and creative routines emphasizing the principle of specificity definitely have performance enhancing capabilities, but I think this is a more advanced concern. Most Aikidoka need GPP: General Physical Preparation. My thought is to build up some basic strength and hypertrophy in the basic compound moves, and let Aikido training do its work from there.

I would say squat strength is probably the most common hindrance I've seen on the mat. How many times have you heard 'Bend your knees!'? I think many don't because they can't - because it's too hard given their strength level. Similarly, keeping the shoulders down, arms in the center during tenkans, and keeping the shoulder safe during falls are another major issue. Another key point I would like to take into consideration is that the simpler the routine is, the more likely one is to adhere to it.

So, I choose a simple routine of 5 exercises:

1)Squats, Squatlifts, or Deadlifts

2)Stiff-Leg Deadlifts

3)Pull-Ups or Rows

4)Focus Pushups

5)Russian Twists

1) With deadlifts or squatlifts, I think one should avoid resting the bar on the ground in order to get the befefits of deccelerating and reversing direction at the bottom (thighs parallel to floor). You need strength down there for Koshinage, especially.

2)Stiff-Leg or Romanian Deadlifts are done to further strengthen the low back and hamstrings. Vast accumulated experience has shown that extensive squatting without additional hamstring work invites injury.

3)Body Rows are the preferred exercise here - basically an upside-down pushup on a low bar. Keeping the whole body stiff provides good isometric work. Once sufficient strength is achieved, work towards limiting scapular movement.

4) A Focus Pushup is much harder than a normal pushup in that the goal is to virtually eliminate scapular movement. Once again, this addresses vital shoulder stability. One must have partner or video feedback/help to learn to eliminate scapular movement.

5) A Russian Twist is basically a tenkan with cable/rubber tubing resistance. It develops shoulder stability, torso resistance to twisting forces, and balance. Variation can be achieved by changing angles.

I would have the trainee do 2-3 worksets of each 2 times per week. 1-2 warmups sets. I like a heavy/medium scheme for strength and size. One workout in the 3-8 rep range, the other in the 8-12 rep range. Usually working to within one rep of failure, but almost never complete failure - which unnecessarily extends recovery time. If you workout properly, you should get stronger almost every workout, and your training log should contain the proof. One of the virtues of a simple routine is that you can more easily manipulate training variables to accomodate your individual physiology.

Kevin Wilbanks, CSCS

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Old 07-29-2002, 09:54 PM   #33
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I am certainly no expert on the subject, I was just posting some suggestions made on another forum. Everyone has different goals for weight lifting and they will choose their routine based on that. I think it is good to show as many exercises as possible that would compliment Aikido practice. You can then pick what is right for you.

I already include most of Kevin's routine along with the more common exercises for tricepts, bicepts, abs, shoulders, chest etc..

I do all of these with dumbells (no bench presses, military presses etc.)

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Old 07-30-2002, 02:58 AM   #34
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Re: Re: Weight lifting and Aikido

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Maximum Fitness by Stewart Smith, former Seal

or for the easier version

http://www.sealchallenge.navy.mil/workout.htm

I blew my shoulder out after I did the first day of Maximum Fitness and never went back but it is fairly free of weights. If my shoulder comes back I'll probably revisit the Seal PT program.
What's the difference between what is in the book and what is on the site? Is it basically the same exercises with different loads or what?

How did you blow your shoulder out? Was it as a result of the exercises?

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Old 07-30-2002, 03:14 AM   #35
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3)Body Rows are the preferred exercise here - basically an upside-down pushup on a low bar. Keeping the whole body stiff provides good isometric work. Once sufficient strength is achieved, work towards limiting scapular movement.

4) A Focus Pushup is much harder than a normal pushup in that the goal is to virtually eliminate scapular movement. Once again, this addresses vital shoulder stability. One must have partner or video feedback/help to learn to eliminate scapular movement.

Kevin Wilbanks, CSCS
I'm having trouble picturing what you mean by eliminating scapular movement. Could you elaborate?

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Old 07-30-2002, 07:49 AM   #36
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I think it is good to show as many exercises as possible that would compliment Aikido practice. You can then pick what is right for you.
I don't. Providing people with a smorgasbord and having them assemble a routine for themselves only makes sense if they understand as much about how to do the exercises and what they are for as the trainer does. In that case, why consult a trainer? Also, as I stated above, the routine I created is focussed more on General Physical Preparation than specific, performance enhancing exercises.
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I already include most of Kevin's routine along with the more common exercises for tricepts, bicepts, abs, shoulders, chest etc..
I would discourage this. "Isolation" exercises - for biceps triceps and abs especially - tend to train functionally useless movement patterns. Additionally, doing all that extra volume for those little muscles can easily overtrain them, and prohibit progress. Also, adding many exercises can lengthen the workout and divert energy resources away from focussing on the compounds.

Every exercise I posted works the abdominals, any pulling motion works the biceps, any pushing motion works the triceps. I disagree with the whole paradigm of carving the body into isolated parts and trying to exercise each individually. The body doesn't work that way, it works via coordinated movement chains through multiple-joint movements.

If someone wanted more volume, they could add some exercises and/or sets, but I recommend more compounds. Also, when adding volume, one has to take into account the intensity and rep range - possibly back another rep away from failure on most sets. My volume day is virtually the same as that routine, except that I do two pulling chain movements (chosen from pullups, bodyrows, and pole-vaulters), two pushing chain movements (chosen from F.Pushups, Dips, and Overhead BB Press).

Workman: "I'm having trouble picturing what you mean by eliminating scapular movement. Could you elaborate?"

There isn't that much more to describe, it needs to be demonstrated and coached. If you look at your anatomy, the shoulder is comprised of two joints: the sternoclavicular (hinges below the throat), and the glenohumeral (ball and socket in the shoulder). What I'm advocating is developing the awareness and strength to do these basic exercises through movement at the glenohumeral, not the sternoclavicular. Watch the ridges formed by the scapulae on a partner's back as they do pushups - they travel from squeezed together at the bottom to spread apart at the top. What you are aiming for is to keep them stable in an intermediate position throughout the movement. To start, it is likely that you will have to do the pushups from the knees, and use a limited ROM (sometimes as little as one inch).

Once you can do them properly, you have increased the functional range of movement for the glenohumeral joint, and helped create a more solid connection between the limb and the torso for the transmission of force - invaluable for Aikido.

Incidentally, that is why I chose pushups and bodyrows, a pushing chain and pulling chain movement with the line of force perpendicular/horizontal to the body. I would consider pullups, dips, and overhead presses secondary because the line of force is up and down/vertical to the body - which is less similar to what goes on on the mat.

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Old 07-30-2002, 09:01 AM   #37
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On the Navy seal workout page it notes that:

"These workouts are designed for long-distance muscle endurance. By performing high-repetition workouts, muscle fatigue will gradually take longer to develop."

I am not sute that we are looking to develop long "distance muscle endurance", I think we are looking more for explosive quick power.

Kevin,

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Old 08-05-2002, 06:20 PM   #38
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Weight lifing verse strength

How strong do you want to be?

I have met too many people who can bend a small spike, 20d nail, and then they are tied into a knot by a slim sticklike water skier?

Tensile strength, verses muscle strength, what are you looking for?

My advice?

Simple pushups, squatthrusts, situps, stretching, exercises in quantities of 100 or more. Weightlifting with very light weights that eventually are moved up in repetitions of 100 or more every other day, are the way to go.

You must work up to breaking the barrier for doing repetitions of 100 or more, but don't force yourself to injury, it will take twice to three times as long to attain strength and speed.

I was a skinny, 165 pound kid at 19 years old. Then in my twenties I began to eat, exercise regularly, and do large repetitions with weights of 25-40 pounds until most exercises were at the magic 100 repetition level.

Until I married my wife and had kids in my late twenties, I would do 100 pushups twice a day, 100 situps twice a day, and 100 squat thrusts once a day. I pretty much stayed around 210-230 until my late thirties as the happy family man began to show the middle age spare tire. Two years of Karate took most of my tire away, and working in the boat business hauling boats, moving cement blocks, and various weights such as tool boxes along with 300 - 400 motor boxes with Aikido like pushing skills kept me in somewhat good shape.

I can't promise that tightening your muscles is not going to leave you with a spare tire in your later years, but as far as training in your twenties and thirties, high repetitions with light weights are the way to build speed, strength, and stamina.

After forty, your best training is stretching, as many repetitions as possible with even lighter weights as not to strain the old fella, and really really watch your nutrition without overdoing exercise or supplements for your diet. Natural food sources are the best way to get nutrition, not pills.

You will find that most Chinese methods of advanced training has you doing 200-300 repetitions as you increase the weight of objects used to exercise, but everyone's body is different. Work at your own pace, build up the repetitions, the lenght of practice, and your strength, stamina, speed over time.

If you have ever seen a skinny guy or gal beat a big muscular guy in an armwrestling match, then you will know what I am talking about.

Of course you will have to be a bit more gentler as you increase you physical strength, to do pay attention to angle and direction of how pressure points are activated as not to have all you ukes screaming in pain because you finally learn to press or twist the correct way instead of the strongarm beginners way ... another mistake of younger practictioners who think strength is the last word in practice.
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Old 08-05-2002, 08:12 PM   #39
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Weight training is not bad. But like all things muscle mass and strength is a double edged sword.

(I am qualified on this being 6 2 and 235 and no it is not all FAT!)

Size and mass can be an advantage in real life, and it can help you be martially effective.

Obviously I can afford to be a little more sloppy with my techniques than a small person.

But that is the bad point...I believe my size has been somewhat of a hinderance in someways to aikido practice.

Smaller people working with my simply are not going to move me unless they do the techniques correctly, so in someways they have an learning advantage.

But, overall, weight training should help you...it's not like you are going to go from 5 8, 165, to 6 2 235. So I don't think it is that big of a deal.

Also, if you train in aikido right after working out with tired limbs, you have to use your hips and posture more to do aikido since your arms and legs are tired...so that could also help!

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Old 08-05-2002, 08:15 PM   #40
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Well I have to say that lifting weights has helped my Aikido, I don't know about anyone else.

My balance has improved incredibly when doing techniques, I have much better ukemi, better endurance, quicker movements etc...

So long as I don't develop "Incredible Hulk" like muscles and stretch well after lifting I don't think I have anything to worry about. I am 5'11, 175 lbs so it will be a long time before I lose dexterity due to bulkiness.

Another good reason for me to lift is so that I can survive practicing with guys like Kevin Leavitt who can crush me with their little finger.



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Old 08-05-2002, 10:11 PM   #41
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Re: Re: Re: Weight lifting and Aikido

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What's the difference between what is in the book and what is on the site? Is it basically the same exercises with different loads or what?
I don't know. I've been to the site a few times but never really looked at what he has there. I'd guess that he doesn't have these workouts there.
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I believe it was the dips that did it. I had to do a lot of negatives, which should have been a warning, to meet the numbers. My shoulders have taken a bit of a beating the last couple of years and the workout was more than they were ready for. It was probably a classic case of a thick head colliding with the mid 30's. The actual tweak happened around 3:00 am when I heard my shoulder pop and went back to sleep. The next day I couldn't move it. Of course, it may have happened without the workout but I stressed it pretty hard.

I've since gone down a few notches and am working my way back into the physical training realm. It's going much better this time around.
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Old 08-05-2002, 10:23 PM   #42
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"I had to do a lot of negatives, which should have been a warning, to meet the numbers."

'Negatives' only, beyond the point where you can do the 'positives' is a supra-maximal training technique that should be used very sparingly, or not at all. I actually advocate rarely even training to failure, much less beyond it. Training at this kind of extreme intensity is not necessary to make progress - in fact, it is counterproductive in that it extends recovery time and invites injury. You should never push yourself beyond honest limits in order to keep up with any sort of generically prescribed training regimen. Everyone's ability to adapt and recover is different, and training must be carefully tailored to each individual.

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Old 08-06-2002, 09:29 AM   #43
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Sport psychology research indicates that weight lifting is one of the fastest and best exercises o increase self-esteem. You both feel it while your doing it(and also after) and you can see faster results.

I am that bigger weight lifter in class (6'4", 215). When i focus on staying relaxed during waza, weight lifting has certainly not hurt my execution provided I don't try to muscle through it, which was an inital obstacle. I do think that it has made some of the locks easier for my tori, since I do lack some flexibility due to uscle mass.

As i said earlier, if you want to lift then lift. If you you want to practice Aikido then practice. Just don't confuse he two.

Until again,

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Old 08-09-2002, 12:06 PM   #44
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Talking Pickin' on the big guy

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Size and mass can be an advantage in real life, and it can help you be martially effective.
I disagree, if only due to semantics. Size and (lean body) mass can be advantageous, but in what respect?

Martial effectiveness is determined by the ability to kill someone, not by one's ability to barfight, wrestle, grapple, pugilize, etc. Most of the elite combat forces in this world are not composed of large, massive guys (contrary to what Arnold and Sly would have you believe). Big guys make big targets.
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Obviously I can afford to be a little more sloppy with my techniques than a small person.
Wrong. You cannot afford to be sloppy at all. Cheating is one thing, sloppiness an entirely different animal altogether. This tells me you rely on your innate physical ability more than what you are being taught, and that is a weakness.
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But that is the bad point...I believe my size has been somewhat of a hinderance in someways to aikido practice.

Smaller people working with my simply are not going to move me unless they do the techniques correctly, so in someways they have an learning advantage.
From the above statements, you are obviously aware of your "weakness", but you also have the way to correct it. I suspect that you like to feel what is happening in your body, and get some feedback that feels correct, then decide to go along with the technique. Try this, it may get you ahead of the loop.

Don't wait for the correct feedback. Go where the nage puts you, like a cloud blown around by the wind. Too wimpy? Do it for six months and tell me it is too wimpy. It will build the sensitivity you lack, the same sensitivity that smaller practitioners must develop in order to move you around.

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Old 03-18-2005, 09:53 PM   #45
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Re: Weight lifting and Aikido

I have been weight training to gain muscle mass for years now. I believe it complements my aikido. I started weight lifting after breaking my back in a few places. With physio guidance I now have no back pain. My life is easier because I have more advance muscle development that the average person.

Strength training aids in the following

• Aikido is not a holistic exercise. At my dodo there is heavy emphasis on pushups during warm-up. Many of the senior students have some chest muscle development as a result, but little back development. It's a recipe for bad posture.
• Aerobic exercise alone isn't effective at preventing muscle atrophy
• Brute size and strength will aid in real life self defense situations through injury prevention (you have to get hit harder for it to hurt). Your attacker doesn't know that they are uke. You might have to correct their position a little before executing (at least keep this as an option :0).
• Injury prevention
• Keeps off fat


One point not made in this thread yet is that bodybuilders have extremely advanced muscle mind connection. They can feel the muscle and how it works. I have not experienced this in other sports. Perhaps I have to some degree after years of cycling. However I believe this would be difficult to achieve with compound movements of aikido alone. It takes a lot of concentration. I try to practice it.but……this is a kind of self awareness..

There is a lot of bad information and misconception about body building. Not to mention media driven image issues to wade through.

Lets keep it real here. No one going to end up looking like a bodybuilder by accident. Look at the musculature of an Olympic sprinter. Those guys are big. Their body would be every bit as capable of aikido as an Olympic marathon runner (string bean). If you want to think about negative body composition, think fat. If you want to get rid of fat think muscle, unless of course you want to run 100km a week like a marathon runner…..
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