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Old 03-07-2011, 07:35 PM   #26
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Vinegar doesn't "fix" indigo. It might conceivably help the fabric shed the massively excess amount of dye applied to it, but probably no more than simple wash/rinse/repeat will.
So that explains it. An aikido "old wives tale," so to speak?
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Old 03-07-2011, 09:31 PM   #27
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I don't disagree that it isn't something that a man couldn't say, but depending on the person and their personality, sometimes one method is better then another. I guess an example would be if you had your zipper down at work. Sure you would want someone to tell you. Some would prefer to be told in a quiet subtle way. Others could care less if you yelled across the room "JOHN! YOUR FLY IS DOWN!"

On another note, just because someone is an adult doesn't mean that they aren't shy and sensitive. Everyone feels awkward when they first join a dojo. It was just a suggestion that could help minimize the embarrassment or the awkwardness of the situation.

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Old 03-08-2011, 02:14 AM   #28
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Re: dirty uniform

Hello,

in my dojo no one cares who wears make up, who stinks and who has long finger- or toenails. If a gi gets smeared, you can wash it, can't you? Most people do that anyway after class, so where is the problem? And if we don't stink sweaty at the beginning of the training, we sure do at the end - so where's the point?

But I remember when training in Azerbaidjan, I had my usual make-up, and before training a woman came with some mirror and a make-up box and said something in Russian. I didn't understand anything; I thought maybe my make-up was out of order and she gave that to fix it again. So I put some more colour on...and that was exactly the wrong thing. She said something more in Russian which I still didn't understand, and afterwards another woman came and explained I was supposed to take the make-up OFF. So I did, but until reading this thread I still hadn't understood why; I kept thinking that taking off make-up was maybe an Azeri aikido ritual.

However, I think there is no point in getting offended, neither by someone's make-up on your kimono nor by someone telling you to take off your make-up (or to cut your nails, to take off your gold chain, to wash your feet or whatever).

Have a nice day!

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Old 03-08-2011, 03:51 AM   #29
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Eva, I don't mind the occasional strong odor. But there are some people who can knock down an uke just by raising their arms. Seriously. Doing the waza is hard enough without throwing chemical warfare into the mix.
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Old 03-08-2011, 03:57 AM   #30
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Eva, I don't mind the occasional strong odor. But there are some people who can knock down an uke just by raising their arms. Seriously. Doing the waza is hard enough without throwing chemical warfare into the mix.
Raul, that is Ki (-li-kili) power!

Sorry, everyone.. inside joke..

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Old 03-08-2011, 04:10 AM   #31
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"Inside" to any Filipino on Aikiweb, that is. Hi, Sito. For Pinoys, it's a wisecrack that's hard to resist.
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Old 03-08-2011, 06:32 AM   #32
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Sorry Mary, I don't see the strawman either. Your suggestion that it best be handled by the other women of the dojo gave rise to my comment. I simply don't see any reason why any person in the dojo couldn't successfully speak to this woman in a polite and tactful way. Your advice sounded to me as if you considered it inappropriate that a male address the issue, thus suggesting to me that political correctness was rearing it's head. If that wasn't your intent, then I apologize. If it was, I will ask one of the women to offer you my apologies for offending you.
There's a difference between tact and political correctness, although lately it seems that fewer and fewer people understand the distinction, and are quick to yell, "Political correctness!" anytime someone suggests the use of tact.
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Old 03-08-2011, 07:23 AM   #33
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When I was teaching a class at BCC one of the female exchange students had terrible foot odor. She wore awful smelling sweaty socks and really didn't want to take them off. She spoke very little English and I spoke even less of her language so comuncation was tricky. She was very large and socially awkward. My goal was for least possible amount of harm from her classmates.
So I prayed for an idea...It came. I bought her six pairs of really cute socks and asked her to change into to them especially for class. She loved the idea and the gift.
It worked...she was a dear heart and such a gift to me and the rest of the class.
Mary
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Old 03-08-2011, 09:24 AM   #34
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I bought her six pairs of really cute socks and asked her to change into to them especially for class. She loved the idea and the gift.
It worked...she was a dear heart and such a gift to me and the rest of the class.
Mary
In this case you were sizing up an entire situation and came up with an elegant solution!

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Old 03-08-2011, 11:35 AM   #35
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Like most things... Sempai should step up first and point out the issue. I have zero problem with Mary M's approach as it strikes me as a reasonable, sensitive approach. But if that isn't going to happen I have zero problem letting someone know that I don't want to explain lipstick on my gi to my wife later. It just isn't the place for makeup. Or jewelery. Or hygiene problems. Or whatever. This ain't really a dojo issue so much as just a "people gettin' along" issue. Seems like a minor thing to me. Just say something. It's not the place for makeup nor is it the place for 3 inch fingernails. Simple as that.

One kid came back from vacation once with all sorts of beads braided into her hair. Caught one of those in my face. Suggested either a beanie cap or taking out the damned beads next time...

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Old 03-08-2011, 01:51 PM   #36
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I kept thinking that taking off make-up was maybe an Azeri aikido ritual.
lol

dps

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