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Old 01-08-2011, 01:14 PM   #101
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?

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Old 01-08-2011, 01:47 PM   #102
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This is to say- meditate on whom you want your aikido to work- when was the last time you fought this person/group of people. Can you let go of this fantasy of getting ready to fight and simply live your life?
Zach wins the thread....

That's why these threads don't interest me much anymore.

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Old 01-08-2011, 04:29 PM   #103
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I didn't start aikido expecting it to be the ultimate deadliest martial art. I've hardly ever been in a situation where I felt in serious danger of being physically harmed by aggression.

Actually, I can remember only two situations from 20 years ago when I was 18 to 20 years old and sometimes going out to places where I knew few people and where some of the locals decided I didn't belong there. In only one occasion I actually got a few hits by group of guys under the influence of drugs at a big house party. As soon as I realized my situation I ran off. I had some bruises, but that was all. I doubt that aikido or any other martial art would have helped. At best I might have kept my honor at the cost of more damage to me and others.

So self defence on the street is a very minor issue for me. I do aikido because I like it, a lot.
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Old 01-08-2011, 08:49 PM   #104
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I didn't start aikido expecting it to be the ultimate deadliest martial art. I've hardly ever been in a situation where I felt in serious danger of being physically harmed by aggression.

Actually, I can remember only two situations from 20 years ago when I was 18 to 20 years old and sometimes going out to places where I knew few people and where some of the locals decided I didn't belong there. In only one occasion I actually got a few hits by group of guys under the influence of drugs at a big house party. As soon as I realized my situation I ran off. I had some bruises, but that was all. I doubt that aikido or any other martial art would have helped. At best I might have kept my honor at the cost of more damage to me and others.

So self defence on the street is a very minor issue for me. I do aikido because I like it, a lot.
Bully for you......
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Old 01-09-2011, 06:25 AM   #105
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Bully for you......
Its all uphill Tony

One could always defend themselves with a stern look and challenge the assailant with a " lets see who has the best exersise routine ?"

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Old 01-09-2011, 08:11 AM   #106
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Its all uphill Tony

One could always defend themselves with a stern look and challenge the assailant with a " lets see who has the best exersise routine ?"

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Henry,

I kinda like uphill...... its surprising how it clears the head......

I think I'm developing "ki" at last ooooohhhh!!

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Old 01-09-2011, 12:49 PM   #107
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Old 01-09-2011, 01:37 PM   #108
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Ahhhhhhh the origins of Ki...breathing through the flat cap.

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Old 01-09-2011, 01:42 PM   #109
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Old 01-09-2011, 04:22 PM   #110
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Ahhhhhhh the origins of Ki...breathing through the flat cap.

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Oh ai .............ecky thump master I be....
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Old 01-09-2011, 04:49 PM   #111
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Say to yourself I am good at aikido.........Breath uuuummm uuuummm and look into the centre uuuumm uuuummmm
grab hold of your weapon and extend yourself uuuummm uuuummmm

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When you awake you will be invincible.......
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Old 01-10-2011, 05:25 AM   #112
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Say to yourself I am good at aikido.........Breath uuuummm uuuummm and look into the centre uuuumm uuuummmm
grab hold of your weapon and extend yourself uuuummm uuuummmm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu3Vp...eature=related

When you awake you will be invincible.......
I hope your not suggesting they are not already invincible

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Old 01-10-2011, 08:47 AM   #113
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?

I have to ask the question...if these "aikidoka" believe that aikido is ineffective, then are they truely aikidoka? And, why are they not studying an art which they believe works? Just my thought...
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Old 01-10-2011, 09:00 AM   #114
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I have to ask the question...if these "aikidoka" believe that aikido is ineffective, then are they truely aikidoka? And, why are they not studying an art which they believe works? Just my thought...
'Cause as I keep saying they are all in denial......
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Old 01-10-2011, 09:06 AM   #115
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I hope your not suggesting they are not already invincible

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'Spose we could hand out some ribbons to get 'em in the mood?

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Old 01-10-2011, 09:06 AM   #116
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?

That was my thought, Tony, but sometimes its good to get a little confirmation from another mind.
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Old 01-10-2011, 10:43 AM   #117
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'Spose we could hand out some ribbons to get 'em in the mood?

OK, if you want to get them in the mood, you get the ribbons.

I will get the music and the strobe lights.

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Old 01-10-2011, 11:04 AM   #118
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OK, if you want to get them in the mood, you get the ribbons.

I will get the music and the strobe lights.

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I'll do Zulu warrior down to me boots and , Henry will you compère ?
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Old 01-10-2011, 01:15 PM   #119
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Why would you train hard in something that doesn't work???? I have said it before and I'll say it again that aikido works. It has worked for me in Viet Nam especially otherwise I wouldn't be here now. It worked when I was a deputy sheriff and had to take a few "bad guys" down. You will fight the way you train. You have to, if possible, to show confidence and have confidence in yourself. If you lack confidence in yourself and your abilities, then you will have nothing and I don't care how hard you train.
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Old 01-10-2011, 01:26 PM   #120
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Why would you train hard in something that doesn't work???? I have said it before and I'll say it again that aikido works. It has worked for me in Viet Nam especially otherwise I wouldn't be here now. It worked when I was a deputy sheriff and had to take a few "bad guys" down. You will fight the way you train. You have to, if possible, to show confidence and have confidence in yourself. If you lack confidence in yourself and your abilities, then you will have nothing and I don't care how hard you train.
Spot on Phil.....
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Old 01-11-2011, 12:14 PM   #121
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Brilliant stuff.Mr Enfield and associates were great.Loved the Kokyu nage. Lets have more of the same.
Thanks, Joe.
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Old 01-11-2011, 02:28 PM   #122
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Wish all my ukes were like this.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_OL42WVwdA&feature=fvw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAm1W...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giDT_...eature=related

In truth, it's exetremely difficult to get out of any rear neck choke..... If applied for real....
But it's good to teach for awareness to ones rear......
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Old 01-11-2011, 02:43 PM   #123
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Real aiki... stay relaxed, move away from punches, block when close, stay centred..... take the head.... irimi
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Old 01-12-2011, 06:05 AM   #124
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Re: Why do Aikidoka say Aikido does not work?

This is to answer St Matt's question to me:

I used Aikido in Viet Nam more than once. I was with the 1st Infantry Division, attached to the ROK (Republic of Korea) Tiger division in Viet Nam. While we did a lot of ground pounding, at one time my regiment had to chase and destroy a NVA brigade that was around Tay Ninh that was harassing our troops. We chased them all the way thru Cambodia, caught them in Laos and wiped them out to the last, which was our mission by the CG (Commanding General) Westmoreland. I also did extractions. If you have ever seen the "Green Berets" with John Wayne, that is pretty close to what we did. We had "Targets" that we had to bring back, DOA (dead or alive). Aikido definately saved my life over there more than once. So those people that say aikido doesn't work are not really serious about their training, have never used it or they have no confidence in their abilities.
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Old 01-24-2011, 09:37 AM   #125
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I have read hundreds of pages of threads over the last few weeks here on Aikiweb, and have noticed many threads concerning the effectiveness Aikido on the street, or against a boxer, or against a BJJ/MMA person, etc. I have also noticed Aikidoka of all levels claiming it isn't effective, or "if you're taking Aikido for self defense, you are looking in the wrong place", etc. My question is why? I mean we have many people who have never even stepped into a dojo who knock it's martial effectiveness, but why do Aikidoka who have put many hours in training, also agree?
I have said that many times, not because I think aikido doesn't work, but because there are much more efficient ways of learning self-defense. If your only goal is self-defense, then you're better off going to a krav maga gym, where cultivating a state of mind and preserving a tradition are lower priorities than self-defense. As aikidoka, we choose to make self-defense skills only one priority among many.
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