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Old 07-14-2010, 11:26 PM   #1
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5th kyu question

Hi everybody this is my first post!! Today are my 5th kyu exams and i would to ask you if someone has a video or a detailed description about the kaitenage-soto-tenkan technique!! i would like to see some last min errors hope someone can help me!!
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Old 07-15-2010, 04:18 AM   #2
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Maybe try "soto kaiten nage" in youtube? Good luck!

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Old 07-15-2010, 07:36 AM   #3
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Kaitenage soto-tenkan on a fifth kyu test?
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Old 07-15-2010, 08:19 AM   #4
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Here's a video from a dojo that lists all the techniques for testing on their site. Maybe this is what you are looking for:

http://www.chushin.com/Video/5th/Kat...itennageTS.wmv

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Old 07-15-2010, 08:45 AM   #5
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Hello Michael,

It appears that James Nakayama Sensei was performing "uchi" kaiten nage, not "soto". The "atemi" was omitted, so it may look confusing.

It still looks good enough to use for training purposes!

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Old 07-15-2010, 08:58 AM   #6
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thanks everybody!! i ll leave for the exams now!
i ll post the results, i ll try not to be nervous
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Old 07-15-2010, 09:24 AM   #7
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Hello Michael,

It appears that James Nakayama Sensei was performing "uchi" kaiten nage, not "soto". The "atemi" was omitted, so it may look confusing.

It still looks good enough to use for training purposes!

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Yeah......I realize the slight differences between schools and techniques. Figured it might help though.

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Old 07-15-2010, 02:16 PM   #8
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Kaitenage soto-tenkan on a fifth kyu test?
My 5th kyu test included Kaiten nage uchi, soto, omote and ura versions as well as the first 4 bokken kata.

Mastro- I had looked on Utube for kaiten nage and I think I saw a few but they didn't quite match what my sensei was teaching. I mainly just asked someone in the dojo to let me practice on them lets of times with sensei watching and correcting me in between classes.
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Old 07-15-2010, 03:08 PM   #9
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Thanks everybody again!I passed my exams!! im 5th kyu now! Good luck to everybody and continue our progress!!
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Old 07-15-2010, 07:51 PM   #10
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Congratulations!

Now for that dreaded 4th kyu preparation, eh?

Good luck!
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Old 07-15-2010, 09:46 PM   #11
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Thanks everybody again!I passed my exams!! im 5th kyu now! Good luck to everybody and continue our progress!!
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Old 07-16-2010, 01:59 PM   #12
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congratulations.
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Old 07-16-2010, 04:06 PM   #13
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Way to go! Congratulations!!

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Old 07-18-2010, 11:36 PM   #14
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Kaitenage soto-tenkan on a fifth kyu test?
We did uchi and soto kaitenage on my 5th kyu test.

On another note:
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Old 07-19-2010, 07:39 AM   #15
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Kaitenage soto-tenkan on a fifth kyu test?
A lot of associations and non-affiliated dojo require kaitenage.
It wasn't on my 5th kyu test. Didn't see it until 3rd kyu.
But associations (like ASU) or what not, aren't always standardize for what is or not on a kyu test. (sometimes they are standardized in regions, but there is differences from north to south USA, or east to west USA. ) I've heard of an ASU school the requires a "simplistic" variation of about every named technique you can think of. (While the ASU kyu tests aren't always standardized, their black belt tests are more standardized. They can only be belted in the dan ranks by their shihan. However some non-affiliates have zero consistency, even within the same school, for both kyu and dan ranks...different strokes I guess.)

Anyways, Kaitenage soto is very common for a 5th kyu technique according to what I've gathered from conversations with Aikidoka who are non-affiliates of the USAF. USAF and some of her sister organizations are a novelty for not including it.

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Old 07-19-2010, 09:01 PM   #16
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Anyways, Kaitenage soto is very common for a 5th kyu technique according to what I've gathered from conversations with Aikidoka who are non-affiliates of the USAF. USAF and some of her sister organizations are a novelty for not including it.
Yeah, we used to be with USAF-Western region, but now we are with Birankai. It is my understanding that we still follow their testing guidelines closely, but our sensei has some wiggle room to cut and or add techniques

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Old 07-20-2010, 06:44 AM   #17
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Anyways, Kaitenage soto is very common for a 5th kyu technique according to what I've gathered from conversations with Aikidoka who are non-affiliates of the USAF. USAF and some of her sister organizations are a novelty for not including it.
Whatever. At that point I'd think you'd want people concentrating more on things like basic footwork, but what do I know?
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Old 07-20-2010, 11:04 AM   #18
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I've heard of an ASU school the requires a "simplistic" variation of about every named technique you can think of.
We have something like this. Most techniques are on most gradings (in some form or another). At each stage the idea is that you'll be able to see a vast improvement over previous gradings. A sizeable portion of our gokyu test is repeated in the nikyu test.

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Old 07-20-2010, 11:32 AM   #19
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Whatever. At that point I'd think you'd want people concentrating more on things like basic footwork, but what do I know?
Well I'm not going to criticize the testing standards of other federations. I'm sure they have very real reasons for what they do, and there are specific things their Shihan want out of their students.

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Whatever. At that point I'd think you'd want people concentrating more on things like basic footwork, but what do I know?
Mary, out of curiosity, what types of techniques are on the 5th kyu exam in your dojo? I don't need a full list or anything like that, but I would be interested in hearing more.

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Mary, out of curiosity, what types of techniques are on the 5th kyu exam in your dojo? I don't need a full list or anything like that, but I would be interested in hearing more.
Oh jeez, like I'm going to be able to remember that. Well, if you google, you can find out what the USAF requirements are -- they haven't changed much for fifth kyu since I tested, I don't think. The reason I'm not going to remember, though, is that our test is always "Whatever Sensei wants". I really don't recall what that was for my test, but I don't believe we had any of kaitenage/udenage for fifth kyu. That said, there was a kyu test last Saturday, and the one poor guy who was testing for fifth kind of got dragged along with the people testing for 4th, and there may have been a kaitenage or two involved...I really don't remember. What's always there is suwariwaza, typically ikkyo, nikkyo, sankyo, kotegaeshi, iriminage and maybe shihonage...same stuff standing...eh, I don't remember what all else. It's really not that many different techniques, just from different attacks, with different openings, standing, suwari waza, hanmi handachi.
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Oh jeez, like I'm going to be able to remember that. Well, if you google, you can find out what the USAF requirements are -- they haven't changed much for fifth kyu since I tested, I don't think. The reason I'm not going to remember, though, is that our test is always "Whatever Sensei wants". I really don't recall what that was for my test, but I don't believe we had any of kaitenage/udenage for fifth kyu. That said, there was a kyu test last Saturday, and the one poor guy who was testing for fifth kind of got dragged along with the people testing for 4th, and there may have been a kaitenage or two involved...I really don't remember. What's always there is suwariwaza, typically ikkyo, nikkyo, sankyo, kotegaeshi, iriminage and maybe shihonage...same stuff standing...eh, I don't remember what all else. It's really not that many different techniques, just from different attacks, with different openings, standing, suwari waza, hanmi handachi.
USAF doesn't introduce kaitenage until 3rd kyu. Suwariwaza at 4th, hamni handachi until 3rd.
The test technique requirements haven't changed since the 1980's.

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USAF doesn't introduce kaitenage until 3rd kyu. Suwariwaza at 4th, hamni handachi until 3rd.
The test technique requirements haven't changed since the 1980's.
As I explained in the text that you quoted, Maggie, "our test is always "Whatever Sensei wants".".
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As I explained in the text that you quoted, Maggie, "our test is always "Whatever Sensei wants".".
Does he adhere to at least the minimal requirements in addition to "whatever he wants"?

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Does he adhere to at least the minimal requirements in addition to "whatever he wants"?
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