Hiji-ate

Daniel Davis wrote: Quick question- I really don 't understand the concept of breath throws in aikido and wonder how that could be applicable to this technique...

There's no such thing as a "quick" question...

Charlie Burmeister wrote: Crack that nut and you'll have this whole Aikido thing licked!

That's the short answer...

Maggie Schill wrote: A teacher told me once "View kokyu this way: Breath the attacker in, and breath them out throughout the technique"

what if the attacker is big and you can't inhale him/her/it in one breath?

Phi Truong wrote: what if the attacker is big and you can't inhale him/her/it in one breath?

hmm,sounds like a personal problem

Ashley Carter wrote: I didn't know what you were talking about until I watched the vid! We just call it kokyunage in my dojo.

I had know idea either we call this jujinage at our dojo

I guess its kind of makes sense how you could call it jujinage...or a variation thereof. Usually jujinage is made by both uke's arms making the ju symbol...not a combination of uke and nage. But its an interesting idea...thanks for sharing! Very cool stuff.

Michael Crowell wrote: In Yoseikan we call it "tembin nage"; or "scale throw". ....

(n) (1) (balance) scales; (2) shoulder carrying pole; (3) steelyard

Tenbin in this fashion goes more with the second definition. Some people also call this throw jujinage. There was a thread about this here some time ago.

Maggie Schill wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIKF_n2-ruY Yeah, I had to look it up, I know it as udekimenage. But apparently some people call it hiji-ate.

Umm... just to muddle the issue further, I did not know "hijiate" or "udekimenage" either. What that video shows we call "tenbin" or "tenbin nage".

(style Aikikai, location Tokyo)

Maggie Schill wrote: Reliance on pain compliance can be a crutch...according to my instructors.

Yes, I much prefer gravity.

Aannnndddd
for just one more variant, since I haven't seen it appear here yet, our school uses the term udi-hiji nage (arm, elbow throw) since that seemed to describe it best.
You know, nages arm extended under ukes elbow...etc.
The most crucial part of this ukemi is to keep a slight curve in the extended arm. NO hyperextension.
( we also tend to cross ukes arm in more of the triceps area than directly on the joint,) on the mat.
application? perhaps not so much.

FWIW, we would call this jujinage as well. I wouldn't have considered this a form of sumi otoshi, but YMMV.

I think I tend to take some pressure off the elbow joint by (1) allowing my center to rise; (2) allowing my center to reorient towards nage during the throw; and (3) as Maggie emphasized, not being stuck//moving.

Hope that's useful.

Sam Turnage wrote: I had know idea either we call this jujinage at our dojo

In case of doubt, you can call anything a kokyunage. That´s what our teachers do :-)