Welcome to AikiWeb Aikido Information
AikiWeb: The Source for Aikido Information
AikiWeb's principal purpose is to serve the Internet community as a repository and dissemination point for aikido information.

Sections
home
aikido articles
columns

Discussions
forums
aikiblogs

Databases
dojo search
seminars
image gallery
supplies
links directory

Reviews
book reviews
video reviews
dvd reviews
equip. reviews

News
submit
archive

Miscellaneous
newsletter
rss feeds
polls
about

Follow us on



Home > AikiWeb Aikido Forums
Go Back   AikiWeb Aikido Forums > Open Discussions

Hello and thank you for visiting AikiWeb, the world's most active online Aikido community! This site is home to over 22,000 aikido practitioners from around the world and covers a wide range of aikido topics including techniques, philosophy, history, humor, beginner issues, the marketplace, and more.

If you wish to join in the discussions or use the other advanced features available, you will need to register first. Registration is absolutely free and takes only a few minutes to complete so sign up today!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 01-27-2010, 12:24 PM   #1
David Orange
Dojo: Aozora Dojo
Location: Birmingham, AL
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,511
United_States
Offline
Aikido Flicks We'd Like to See

Well, the old Stephen Seagal jerk thread went kind of ragged. I continue to believe that it's a serious offense to "use" aikido to make yourself rich by pumping images of glorious gory violence into the public mind, but I recently completed my own first screenplay, which does use a good bit of aikido/jujutsu technique in some action scenes and I've been thinking a lot about what would be a good aikido movie to make.

In my screenplay, a former soldier uses aiki/jujutsu skills to take down several men who are attacking a young woman who is mentally incompetent. The aiki man uses stuff like you might see in this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-U_z-ujlhA

He is attacked by two and takes them down in a pile, then adds another and another, piling them on top of one another and holding them down with his foot. One man pulls a pistol on him and he takes that and smashes him in the face with it and drops him on top of the others before they can get up. He then holds the pistol on the last guy and makes him get on top of the others. He breaks the one guy's nose, but then pops it back in place. There is no glorification of violence but it presents him controlling these attackers without doing more damage than necessary to control them.

I mention this just as an example of the philosophy behind the script. A bad guy in a similar situation kills three and takes two others captive, then gratuitously kills one of those, illustrating a person with a ruthless heart.

The screenplay has some gore but does not glorify one-on-one violence and the heroes are never depicted as enjoying the violence or revelling in it.

I'm also working on another screenplay about Alex Marshall, a man here in Birmingham who used to train the police in defensive tactics. He was a real master of jujutsu and aikido and the police used to send him into areas where thugs were terrorizing old people and he would take down two or three big SOBs at a time with judo and jujutsu. This would include a lot of graphic fighting scenes, but it would not portray a good man enjoying or revelling in violence. Mr. Marshall was always very humble and the fight scenes in this movie would portray the valor of a very small man taking on some very big and very bad characters and winning through endurance and creativity as well as serious training over many decades.

So my question here is, what kind of movie would best exemplify the values of aikido and judo/jujutsu for the modern world?

Recently, I watched Mamet's "Red Belt" and was rather disappointed that it perpetuates some of the ridiculous misconceptions that spread through the networks of "amateur professionals" with their bizarre lineages and symbologies and one-off local dojo cultures with their intricate homemade rituals and customs. And the old master "the professor" and how he handled 'the red belt'. It kind of creeped me out.

So what would better exempify aikido/judo/jujutsu values for the modern world? Can we come up with scenarios here that show realistic applications of martial arts, yet communicate the positive values we (some of us) believe these arts embody?

Best to all.

David

"That which has no substance can enter where there is no room."
Lao Tzu

"Eternity forever!"

www.esotericorange.com
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2010, 01:00 PM   #2
Eugene Leslie
 
Eugene Leslie's Avatar
Location: Red Deer
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 59
Canada
Offline
Re: Aikido Flicks We'd Like to See

Keep the creative juices flowing Mr. Orange.
Alot of the same old same old. Damsel rescued; bad guys get beat up; gunfights and car chases and explosions.
I myself like Kirosawa, Leone and Kubrick...but they're directors I know and you're talkin' screenplay....I should learn more about the writers of my favorite films..definitely the unsung yet invaluable aspect of movie making.
IMHO too many films are created for a $ these days and I like it when an independent b grader with substance comes along.

In answer to your question how about a character that uses Aikido in all areas of life to harmonize with the world and not take a stance of extreme ideology but shows others that justice is both harsh and forgiving.
A bit flowery I know; but that premise of a movie I would be interested in viewing.

Self-discipline is the chief element of self-esteem; and self-esteem the chief element of courage. Thucydides
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2010, 02:26 PM   #3
dps
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,282
Offline
Re: Aikido Flicks We'd Like to See

Quote:
David Orange wrote: View Post
....this movie would portray the valor of a very small man taking on some very big and very bad characters and winning through endurance and creativity as well as serious training over many decades.
Hmmm, deja vu all over again. Instead of Aikido it was Hapkido.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLAKEM0bO2A

David

Last edited by dps : 01-27-2010 at 02:30 PM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2010, 03:32 PM   #4
David Orange
Dojo: Aozora Dojo
Location: Birmingham, AL
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,511
United_States
Offline
Re: Aikido Flicks We'd Like to See

Quote:
David Skaggs wrote: View Post
Hmmm, deja vu all over again. Instead of Aikido it was Hapkido.
Except that this was a real man who really kicked some serious criminal asses on a number of occasions.

"That which has no substance can enter where there is no room."
Lao Tzu

"Eternity forever!"

www.esotericorange.com
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2010, 03:44 PM   #5
David Orange
Dojo: Aozora Dojo
Location: Birmingham, AL
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,511
United_States
Offline
Re: Aikido Flicks We'd Like to See

Quote:
Eugene Leslie wrote: View Post
Keep the creative juices flowing Mr. Orange.
Thanks!

Quote:
Eugene Leslie wrote: View Post
I myself like Kirosawa, Leone and Kubrick...but they're directors I know and you're talkin' screenplay....
I'm definitely influenced by all those guys.

Quote:
Eugene Leslie wrote: View Post
IMHO too many films are created for a $ these days and I like it when an independent b grader with substance comes along.
I'm definitely targeting the big thing. I want to do something as successful as Seagal's best, but I won't stoop to degrading levels to achieve that. I think you can have commercial success in an action movie without doing what he did. Look at Jackie Chan's movies for a great example.

Quote:
Eugene Leslie wrote: View Post
In answer to your question how about a character that uses Aikido in all areas of life to harmonize with the world and not take a stance of extreme ideology but shows others that justice is both harsh and forgiving.
A bit flowery I know; but that premise of a movie I would be interested in viewing.
I agree. The thing is to devise scenes that show how this person expresses that aikido. He has to face violence and neutralize it with as little harm to the attacker as possible for the situation. The thing that always bothered me about Seagal's movies was how he would build up a villain that was so bad, it would justify anything Seagal wanted to do to him. And that's a very dangerous mentality. It can become a habit to see people in the worst terms possible and to build up their "badness" to justify bad actions against them.

One idea I've had is a cop story where a good cop with a lot of martial arts experience is working alongside the type Seagal usually plays, taunting and humiliating people and savaging them when they resist. This honest cop has to resolve how to bring the violent man down without destroying him.

And so on. In other words, how to bring the unique values of aikido action into a popular action movie.

Thanks for the comments.

David

"That which has no substance can enter where there is no room."
Lao Tzu

"Eternity forever!"

www.esotericorange.com
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-27-2010, 06:38 PM   #6
Eugene Leslie
 
Eugene Leslie's Avatar
Location: Red Deer
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 59
Canada
Offline
Re: Aikido Flicks We'd Like to See

The Crouching Tiger-like movies are beautiful eye-candy and one can overlook the poor plot and still be entertained: Hero was excellent in that the story was really good and the ending very philosophical.

Combining those movies would be a real treat and like Kubrick's eye, the colorful cinematography can be applied to modern cities.
How 'bout a gritty, hardworking, contemporary "normal" guy. Steve McQueen type "strong yet personable" with faults like anyone else....
Blade Runner type guy?
Steven Seagal movies portray "ubercool", and they end up coming across as stupid.
Enough with the good guy; bad guy, beat 'em up stuff.

How about a true neutral character that follows his own moral alignment drum and makes mistakes but ultimately is of benefit to society? With some fight scenes using Aikido of course, and his flashback training and lessons. Keep Osensei's vision in mind.

Last edited by Eugene Leslie : 01-27-2010 at 06:40 PM.

Self-discipline is the chief element of self-esteem; and self-esteem the chief element of courage. Thucydides
  Reply With Quote

Please visit our sponsor:

AikiWeb Sponsored Links - Place your Aikido link here for only $10!



Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Transmission, Inheritance, Emulation 6 Peter Goldsbury Columns 35 03-13-2009 07:16 PM
The continued Evolution of Aikido salim General 716 12-27-2008 11:00 PM
Aikido in Amsterdam, Terry Lax style... tiyler_durden General 11 11-03-2008 09:31 AM
Women and Everybody Else in Aikido George S. Ledyard Teaching 113 03-16-2008 08:27 PM
Dilution of aikido eugene_lo General 40 02-07-2006 12:22 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:26 AM.



vBulletin Copyright © 2000-2016 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited
----------
Copyright 1997-2016 AikiWeb and its Authors, All Rights Reserved.
----------
For questions and comments about this website:
Send E-mail
plainlaid-picaresque outchasing-protistan explicantia-altarage seaford-stellionate