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Old 10-23-2009, 12:14 AM   #1
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Is it wrong if my purpose in aikido is to be strong?

When O Sensei said that the main purpose of aikido practice is not to be strong,i'm just thinking about my purpose in aikido.. Is it wrong if I practiced to become strong? Of course not strong 'outside' but strong 'inside' of me.. It's still become question inside of my head.. Thanks for answer my question..
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Old 10-23-2009, 06:52 AM   #2
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When O Sensei said that the main purpose of aikido practice is not to be strong,i'm just thinking about my purpose in aikido.. Is it wrong if I practiced to become strong? Of course not strong 'outside' but strong 'inside' of me.. It's still become question inside of my head.. Thanks for answer my question..
No it is not wrong. Consider it a point to start.
See if there are changes in your thinking as you progress.

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Old 10-23-2009, 10:05 AM   #3
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Re: Is it wrong if my purpose in aikido is to be strong?

Sounds like a good reason to me.

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Old 10-23-2009, 11:16 AM   #4
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Re: Is it wrong if my purpose in aikido is to be strong?

If you engage in regular (at least 3 times per week), vigorous training (weapons and empty hand) you will become strong(er) physically. That is a natural byproduct of physical exercise. This is a good thing. Many of the big names of Aikido started training as young men because they wanted to be strong physically. I know this is one reason I train. If you train hard, you will get strong. If you don't, you won't. So I say, go for it!

I believe this is a very important part of Aikido. The training makes you strong thereby helping to develop martial spirit which is an energy source that can be used in many ways in one's life. I wholeheartedly believe that it is this "martial spirit" (amongst other things) that makes the difference between Aikido that "works" and Aikido that does not.

It is my educated guess that when O'Sensei said the *main* goal of Aikido is not to be physically strong, I can understand that. The main goal of Aikido is about finding the truth and becoming an "avatar of the kami," so to speak. To do this, one must engage their mind *and* body so that they may become the whole embodiment of a real human being: relaxed, natural, confident, and in control; with no artificial pretense or affectation.
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Old 10-23-2009, 11:22 AM   #5
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Re: Is it wrong if my purpose in aikido is to be strong?

In my opinion: not at all. Make your mind and body strong.
But beware though that it is possible for this to become a quest for power...and that can be something entirely different.

I think it is helpful too to recognize that as some have said about Aikido....50% of Aikido is body practice (/aiki) physical side of things and the other 50% was Ueshiba's spirituality. You should consciously decide who and what you want and are. Otherwise the decision will be made for you implicitly. Decide consciously for yourself. If there was no line drawn there would be no line to cross.
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Old 10-23-2009, 11:37 AM   #6
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Re: Is it wrong if my purpose in aikido is to be strong?

Strong in what way?
In body, mind, and spirit?
Good way.

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Old 10-23-2009, 01:27 PM   #7
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Re: Is it wrong if my purpose in aikido is to be strong?

If you think "your purpose in aikido is to be strong was wrong" then my purpose of my aikido training is to kill would be.... Hmm....
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Old 10-23-2009, 01:31 PM   #8
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We all have different reasons. Besides, take kendo and/or iaido for instance. How many people start those because they have ideas of being a samurai warrior or 'ninja'?.... I bet their ideas change over time once they are doing them though.
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Old 10-23-2009, 10:09 PM   #9
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Re: Is it wrong if my purpose in aikido is to be strong?

Well, remember that you get strong in aikido by doing lots and lots of ukemi, not by trashing your cooperative uke.
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Old 10-23-2009, 10:35 PM   #10
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Re: Is it wrong if my purpose in aikido is to be strong?

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When O Sensei said that the main purpose of aikido practice is not to be strong,i'm just thinking about my purpose in aikido.. Is it wrong if I practiced to become strong? Of course not strong 'outside' but strong 'inside' of me.. It's still become question inside of my head.. Thanks for answer my question..
I think your idea of being strong "inside" sounds pretty good. Why train in anything if not to become better/stronger at it? My guess is that O Sensei probably meant it's not just about being tough physically, but becoming a more potent person; realizing our fullest potential.

Gambarimashyo!
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Old 10-24-2009, 03:19 PM   #11
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Re: Is it wrong if my purpose in aikido is to be strong?

There's a difference between training to be as strong as you can be and training to be stronger than everyone else..

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Old 10-25-2009, 08:08 AM   #12
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Re: Is it wrong if my purpose in aikido is to be strong?

Let's put it differently. If you are doing aikido (or any martial art for that matter) and you don't get stronger inside and outside, you must be doing something wrong. Think of it as a useful progress indicator rather than a goal in in own right.
regards, Alec

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Old 10-27-2009, 08:08 AM   #13
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There's a difference between training to be as strong as you can be and training to be stronger than everyone else..
Another way of saying it is the difference between between rational and being delusional. That said, I feel that the stronger you are in every way, the more options you will have whether that be physically, emotionally, mentally, or whatever. The natural transition that should occur--in my opinion--is the source of that strength.

Over time, a greater reliance of use of Aiki, properly timed and placed utemi, as well as internalized confidence will help compensate for the effect of father time which can sap many forms of strength.
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Old 10-30-2009, 03:12 PM   #14
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Nothing wrong with it at all. Everyone should strive to have the strong, effective Aikido.
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