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Old 06-01-2007, 07:33 AM   #1
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Never use this technique!!

Hi people. This is just a question to satisfy my curiosity, but that in the end can help you be realistic on your skills.

I don't want to enter the discassion of real fight already talked about milions of times, but the question is:

If you had to face a real fight, which one is the technique (if there is one) that you would never use? The reasons might be many, like you don't find it realible, too risky coz if you don't get it right will let your guard way too open to a counter, you think with your actual skill chances to pull out that technique are very low...and so on.

As a beginner I cannot answer to this question, because I still am not confident with none of my techniques hee hee.
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Old 06-01-2007, 08:00 AM   #2
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Re: Never use this technique!!

I find the technique of blocking punches and kicks with my face not very useful in a real fight situation. I always tried to avoid using that technique.

Okay a more serious answer (but I'm telling you the above statement is good advice), if the technique takes longer than you can say "uno" -it's probably not good in a real time situation. Second part is never expect the attacker to react like a dojo trained "uke."

Best advice use all your skills to stay away from fights and danger!

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Old 06-01-2007, 08:02 AM   #3
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Re: Never use this technique!!

The Ninja Death Touch.
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Old 06-01-2007, 08:10 AM   #4
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Re: Never use this technique!!

I don't think there's a particular technique I would never use. would like to think that whatever I do will be an interaction at the time. The technique would be a result of the interaction rather than me having predefineed techniques for certain circumstances, or ruling something out.

Like Gene says though, try not to use your face.

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Old 06-01-2007, 08:24 AM   #5
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It might be easier for me to just point you to youtube. 85% of the video's there show techniques I would never try to use.

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Old 06-01-2007, 10:32 AM   #6
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You cannot decide that tecnica to reject, but you must find for the opportunity, to create the suitable situation to apply "your" better technique. In my case, and under my experience, I would find for to generate the opportunity to apply a shijo nague.
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Old 06-01-2007, 02:56 PM   #7
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5th Level Iron Shirt Technique!

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Old 06-01-2007, 03:04 PM   #8
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5th Level Iron Shirt Technique!
Is that where you iron your shirt while wearing it?
Impressive technique indeed.
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Old 06-01-2007, 04:36 PM   #9
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Re: Never use this technique!!

It is certainly not unheard of for someone to say: "Ordinarily I would never have done it this way, but the situation presented itself as requiring such." in any field of endeavour.

Trying to form a mental block against a particular technique is like encasing a seldom used tool that you are as yet unfamiliar within unbreakable glass. You might reflex into the move and hit a flow/mind/body hiccup halfway through it due to the mental baggage.

You raise a good point about being realistic in which techniques you are more familiar with and in which you have the best grasp/habituation of the fundamentals. In a pinch you might not be picking and choosing, what your body is familiar doing will hopefully take over, so be aware and realistic about your basics.

Oh, and what Gene said. Happy Friday.

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Old 06-02-2007, 04:14 AM   #10
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Re: Never use this technique!!

The technique I would never use is whichever one, at that moment, won't work... Otherwise, all possibilities are open.
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Old 06-02-2007, 08:59 AM   #11
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All Kidding Aside...Allot of our Atemi is directed at the eyes, throat, and groin and the result could be very painful...I cannot predict if I would use it to it's fullest extent but in a fight situation if it was serious enough well...

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Old 06-04-2007, 07:33 PM   #12
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Re: Never use this technique!!

Oh, just do the Nike-do (Run, Forrest, Run!!)

But seriously, avoid the fight if you can.

If you cannot avoid it, you'll find your sense of self preservation, along with martial awareness (and good Aikido) will take over. As far as what technique to use. . . that's hard!! Things should just come naturally and you shouldn't be waiting for just one opportunity to use your "favorite technique." Real life fighting is not like shopping for discounted merchandise, you can't pick that nice pair of shoes up on the shelf. Sometimes you have to pick the less attractive boots on the lower shelf and walk out of the store.

Here's a short story: I have worked in prisons over 15 years, my "day at the office" is very atypical. One day I had this convicted felon who tried to stab me by coming in straight at my belly (I had already tried to talk him out of the whole thing) and guess what came out of the Aikido bag? Kote gaeshi!! Hey, it worked and I kept the shank (ok, that's prison slang for a knife) away from me and when I cranked back. . . his body followed in a short arch while his wrist snapped, then his face met the floor and I finished the pin- yes, his arm broke in a few other places. And yes, I walked away with one small abrasion from the scuffle instead of being gutted like a pig. Hey, it gave me a better appreciation of life as well as what my teachers have taught me!!

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Old 06-04-2007, 10:46 PM   #13
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Oh, just do the Nike-do (Run, Forrest, Run!!)

But seriously, avoid the fight if you can.

If you cannot avoid it, you'll find your sense of self preservation, along with martial awareness (and good Aikido) will take over. As far as what technique to use. . . that's hard!! Things should just come naturally and you shouldn't be waiting for just one opportunity to use your "favorite technique." Real life fighting is not like shopping for discounted merchandise, you can't pick that nice pair of shoes up on the shelf. Sometimes you have to pick the less attractive boots on the lower shelf and walk out of the store.

Here's a short story: I have worked in prisons over 15 years, my "day at the office" is very atypical. One day I had this convicted felon who tried to stab me by coming in straight at my belly (I had already tried to talk him out of the whole thing) and guess what came out of the Aikido bag? Kote gaeshi!! Hey, it worked and I kept the shank (ok, that's prison slang for a knife) away from me and when I cranked back. . . his body followed in a short arch while his wrist snapped, then his face met the floor and I finished the pin- yes, his arm broke in a few other places. And yes, I walked away with one small abrasion from the scuffle instead of being gutted like a pig. Hey, it gave me a better appreciation of life as well as what my teachers have taught me!!

And yes your post is an excellent example of Aikido!

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Old 06-05-2007, 12:47 AM   #14
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All and None.

Aikido techniques are designed to build certain reflexes and sensitivities. The ones that are the least likely to be used in a fight are probably the most beneficial ones to build your skills. You might never use them but they would indirectly save your life.
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Old 06-05-2007, 01:31 AM   #15
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Re: Never use this technique!!

There are some techniques that I doubt I will ever use in a fight. Typicly those are the more advanced techniques - simply going in and doing your thing.

My problem is not with those techniques - those are the best techniques I know. My problem is with me - those techniques require excelent timing, thus I would have to react in a real scary situaiton, in a calm I know is hard to achieve even on the mat. If I would be able to use such a technique, I will.

There are also a few variations to some techniques which are intended for "safe and harmless" learning and could not have the same effect in a real situation due to a well defined internal flow in the variation (at least in my teacher and my own preception). Again - those are variations that are meant for practice only, and as I have progressed I do try to practice other variations more.

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Old 06-05-2007, 01:45 AM   #16
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Hi people. This is just a question to satisfy my curiosity, but that in the end can help you be realistic on your skills.

I don't want to enter the discassion of real fight already talked about milions of times, but the question is:

If you had to face a real fight, which one is the technique (if there is one) that you would never use? The reasons might be many, like you don't find it realible, too risky coz if you don't get it right will let your guard way too open to a counter, you think with your actual skill chances to pull out that technique are very low...and so on.

As a beginner I cannot answer to this question, because I still am not confident with none of my techniques hee hee.
I can't speak for myself because I have only been in DOJO BRAWL (TM) never in a REAL FIGHT (TM).

However, if I recall correctly, Kancho Shioda used the following in REAL FIGHT:

i) Sokumen Iriminage against a knife thrust while he was stationed in Shanghai during the war.
ii) a tegatana downward strike (shomen-uchi) on the knee/shin of an assailant and he broke the assailant's legm also in Shanghai
iii) A mune-tsuki punch into the stomach of the above mentioned assailant's goons and the said assailant was floored completely.
iv) Shihonage against a American GI with boxing background during the Occupation period.
and...
hiji-ate kokyu nage as well as shiho-nage.

There are some techniques I may have missed out because I am recalling from memory right now.

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Old 06-05-2007, 09:36 AM   #17
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Re: Never use this technique!!

Off the top of my head, two come to mind:

That version you see around for Yokomenuchi - matters not what technique follows - but the one where you block and stop uke's strike to do whatever;

and,

That version you see around for any attack - matters not what technique follows - but the one where your technique expects uke to run around you but for their own reasons.

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Old 06-05-2007, 09:48 AM   #18
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Re: Never use this technique!!

All the techniques nicely compliment each other.

Sankyo and Shihonage are brother and sister. Irimi and Kokyu nage are brother and sister. Kaiten nage and kotegaishi are siblings.

It's hard to take out a technique because they all give strength to each other like links in a chain.

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Old 06-05-2007, 10:09 AM   #19
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Re: Never use this technique!!

Like others have said it may be dangerous to subconsciously exclude any technique totally since there are so many potential situations. There are waza that don't work in 99% of typical situations and then you happen to end up in that 1% situation where it actually makes perfect sense.

Imho the situation determines the response. To place an absolute limit on your waza places a limit on your potential options for survival.

Of course, what Gene and David said above are true too.

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Old 06-05-2007, 10:30 AM   #20
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the one where your technique expects uke to run around you but for their own reasons.
Those guys again!

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Old 06-05-2007, 01:57 PM   #21
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All these answers show me that all the Aikidoka who write in this forum are 100% sure of their skills. I can't wait for the day I will feel confident the same way as you are in my skills.

Anyway, I know that a technique is supposed to come out by instinct. But if someone like the example of the prison guard tries to stab you with a streight shot, it leaves open many possibilities of countering. If you never pull out a kotegaeshi in the dojo, even tho the situation is good for one as in the example above I doubt you would opt for that solution.
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Old 06-05-2007, 06:38 PM   #22
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You will respond the same way you train; as long as your training actually mimics the situation.

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Old 06-05-2007, 11:30 PM   #23
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That version you see around for any attack - matters not what technique follows - but the one where your technique expects uke to run around you but for their own reasons.
dmv
Oh yeah, even in a training "non real world" environment that one always drove me nuts - especially as a short slow uke being told that I'm SUPPOSED to WANT to run in a big circle around some big person trying to catch up with their wrists. huh?!

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Old 06-06-2007, 01:55 AM   #24
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Oh yeah, even in a training "non real world" environment that one always drove me nuts - especially as a short slow uke being told that I'm SUPPOSED to WANT to run in a big circle around some big person trying to catch up with their wrists. huh?!
Very simple answer:
I have seen some places which train in this manner,
we don't.

You should find a place that suites your wishes \ needs.

Do not forget some things are practiced as part of the learninig process and are not meant to stay this way (we actually explain this from the first time - do it this way now, another way later. Because doing it this way will tech you ro XXX even though it is not practical because ...).

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I'm SUPPOSED to WANT to run in a big circle
Yes:



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