Welcome to AikiWeb Aikido Information
AikiWeb: The Source for Aikido Information
AikiWeb's principal purpose is to serve the Internet community as a repository and dissemination point for aikido information.

Sections
home
aikido articles
columns

Discussions
forums
aikiblogs

Databases
dojo search
seminars
image gallery
supplies
links directory

Reviews
book reviews
video reviews
dvd reviews
equip. reviews

News
submit
archive

Miscellaneous
newsletter
rss feeds
polls
about

Follow us on



Home > AikiWeb Aikido Forums
Go Back   AikiWeb Aikido Forums > Language

Hello and thank you for visiting AikiWeb, the world's most active online Aikido community! This site is home to over 22,000 aikido practitioners from around the world and covers a wide range of aikido topics including techniques, philosophy, history, humor, beginner issues, the marketplace, and more.

If you wish to join in the discussions or use the other advanced features available, you will need to register first. Registration is absolutely free and takes only a few minutes to complete so sign up today!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 12-31-2008, 09:56 AM   #1
Nicholas Eschenbruch
Dojo: TV Denzlingen
Location: Freiburg
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 307
Germany
Offline
Plum blossom questions

Hi everybody,

I dont know Japanese and would appreciate some help in cultural and linguistic matters:

I have for some time been intrigued by the notion of plum blossom in Zen, e.g. in Dogen's Shobogenzo. John Steven's „Secret Teachings of Aikido" quotes O-Sensei as referring to plum blossom as well, I seem to remember, and it has some biographical relevance in my aikido training.

So here are my questions:

The Japanese word for plum seems to be "baike"? Which is the kanji? And the word and kanji for blossom?

Would it make sense in Japanese to name an aikido dojo „Plum Blossom Dojo", or would that have political, social or erotic double meanings one should be aware of, or even rather avoid? (I am thinking of the sakura kai or the like)

Does anybody know what the actual biological plum referred to in the Zen tradition is? Same as ours? Different Asian type? Anybody know its Latin name?

Thanks a lot for the help, and best wishes for your life and training in 2009

Nicholas
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2008, 10:16 AM   #2
Ron Tisdale
Dojo: Doshinkan dojo in Roxborough, Pa
Location: Phila. Pa
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 4,614
United_States
Offline
Re: Plum blossom questions

Look up references to sho, chiku, bai. From John Steven's perspective as he told it to me, the bai refers to the plum flower as it blossoms...think of the fingers of the hand extending with ki.

Or so I remember it, anyway...

Best,
Ron

Ron Tisdale
-----------------------
"The higher a monkey climbs, the more you see of his behind."
St. Bonaventure (ca. 1221-1274)
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2008, 10:34 AM   #3
Erick Mead
 
Erick Mead's Avatar
Dojo: Big Green Drum (W. Florida Aikikai)
Location: West Florida
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 2,407
United_States
Offline
Re: Plum blossom questions

Quote:
Nicholas Eschenbruch wrote: View Post
O-Sensei as referring to plum blossom as well, I seem to remember, and it has some biographical relevance in my aikido training.

So here are my questions:

The Japanese word for plum seems to be "baike"? Which is the kanji? And the word and kanji for blossom?
梅暦umegoyomi (lit. "plum calendar" for plum blossoms as a sign of impending spring; or 寒梅 kanbai Lit. "cold plum" referring to the tree that does the blossoming in winter.

Quote:
Nicholas Eschenbruch wrote: View Post
Does anybody know what the actual biological plum referred to in the Zen tradition is? Same as ours? Different Asian type? Anybody know its Latin name?
More like an apricot than the red or black plum we get in the States. Prunus mume.

Cordially,

Erick Mead
一隻狗可久里馬房但他也不是馬的.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-31-2008, 10:52 AM   #4
Nicholas Eschenbruch
Dojo: TV Denzlingen
Location: Freiburg
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 307
Germany
Offline
Re: Plum blossom questions

Ron, Erick,
thank you very much, these are useful hints and I will follow them up.

Best

N
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2009, 02:16 PM   #5
JohnSeavitt
Location: Boston, MA, USA
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 34
Offline
Re: Plum blossom questions

There's also ~plum blossom as:

此花 (konohana)
好文木 (koubunboku)
花の兄 (hana no ani)

John
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-22-2009, 01:37 AM   #6
Charles Hill
Dojo: Numazu Aikikai/Aikikai Honbu Dojo
Location: Three Lakes WI/ Mishima Japan
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 837
Offline
Re: Plum blossom questions

Ahhh, they are blooming right now, here at the foot of Mt. Fuji. A most wonderful smell!
  Reply With Quote

Please visit our sponsor:

AikiWeb Sponsored Links - Place your Aikido link here for only $10!



Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Questions for "Voices of Experience" akiy Voices of Experience 7 11-18-2009 04:09 PM
Two questions from a beginner. Peter Gugel General 10 08-03-2008 12:52 AM
Questions re: mistaken presumptions da2el.ni4na Teaching 11 05-24-2006 12:49 PM
Recollections of the Plum Dojo: A Summer Practice in France AikiWeb System AikiWeb System 1 09-01-2004 10:21 AM
testing and asking questions. Chocolateuke Training 11 09-24-2001 09:35 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:40 PM.



vBulletin Copyright © 2000-2014 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited
----------
Copyright 1997-2014 AikiWeb and its Authors, All Rights Reserved.
----------
For questions and comments about this website:
Send E-mail
plainlaid-picaresque outchasing-protistan explicantia-altarage seaford-stellionate