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Old 01-06-2009, 11:04 AM   #26
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Re: Rhythm

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Actually, we did a lot of rhythm training to drums in FMA. Changed the way I move. Tranlsated well to Aikido.
I'm not very enthusiastic to mix the other MA traditions with aikido. It can be very tricky if not devil. In most cases it creates a disaster.
That's why I prefer to listen the teaching from pure aikido techniques.

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Old 01-07-2009, 03:30 PM   #27
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Re: Rhythm

This is a great subject!
I find that the rhythm of budo is most often syncopated - happening right before the beat. When you are attacked, you take over the initiative right before the attack reaches you. When done skillfully, the difference between attacker and defender are sort of blurred. It becomes a dance.
I guess that you could call it timing, too.

Another aspect of rhythm is the minimum and maximum speed of a technique. We all know about the minimum - if you're too late, there's just not going to be a technique at all. But many practitioners are unaware of the maximum speed, they try to force their way through a technique in a speed that uke's body is quite unable to follow. Then it becomes violent.
There are many instances in aikido techniques where you sort of have to wait for uke's body movement to catch up.

I find this rhythm to be kind of elliptical. Att some parts of a technique you accelerate, but then you just have to decelerate at the next part of it.

If aikido is to be compared to dancing - what dance is it? I'd say that it's not a foxtrot, but a waltz

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Old 01-07-2009, 04:52 PM   #28
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Re: Rhythm

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This is a great subject!
I find that the rhythm of budo is most often syncopated - happening right before the beat. When you are attacked, you take over the initiative right before the attack reaches you.When done skillfully, the difference between attacker and defender are sort of blurred. It becomes a dance.
A hallmark of a resonant relationship -- 90 deg phase difference. In this diagram the black line represents either uke or nage and the blue represents the opponent -- of which ever role. The red line is the superposition of the two that results at connection.
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I guess that you could call it timing, too.
Sente does not matter at resonance. "Late" or "early" the effect of a resonant response is devastating to the attack. The trick, of course, is knowing where 90 degree phase just might be at some arbitrary points other than zero or maximum amplitude. Therein lies the display of art -- and very much sweat in its achievement.

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Another aspect of rhythm is the minimum and maximum speed of a technique. We all know about the minimum - if you're too late, there's just not going to be a technique at all. But many practitioners are unaware of the maximum speed, they try to force their way through a technique in a speed that uke's body is quite unable to follow. Then it becomes violent. There are many instances in aikido techniques where you sort of have to wait for uke's body movement to catch up.
Again, at resonance the maximum amplitude of one is counterpoised to zero amplitude of the other -- and vice versa -- there is no resistance to action on either side if the relative phase is maintained, and at all other points in the interference - the same perfect complementarity exists, just at different values.

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I find this rhythm to be kind of elliptical. At some parts of a technique you accelerate, but then you just have to decelerate at the next part of it.
It is elliptical, an ellipse has two foci -- aikido has two dependent centers and one meta-center defined by the state of angular momentum in relation the composite bodies' inertial moment in the affected plane (or the center of gyration or center of percussion -- particularly as it respects the connected limbs).

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If aikido is to be compared to dancing - what dance is it? I'd say that it's not a foxtrot, but a waltz.
Two isolated beats and one coordinated beat -- sounds like a waltz to me.
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