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Old 05-30-2008, 03:32 PM   #26
Location: Fayetteville, AR, USA
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Re: Aikido Training for Policemen


The words I offered in my post work just as well as any other at describing exactly what happened for an incident report or use of force.

The way we were told to write our reports were "suggested" by our attorneys for use in court because, like I said before, they still explain exactly what happened and still allow you keep some professionalism in your reports.
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Old 05-30-2008, 04:01 PM   #27
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Re: Aikido Training for Policemen

That's how I was instructed, too. Essentially, not to get too specific so the attorneys can't trip you up and have you contradicting the report.
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Old 05-30-2008, 04:30 PM   #28
Michael Hackett
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Re: Aikido Training for Policemen

Good police reports should be written to inform and not to impress. They must be complete, accurate and factual, above all, factual. One must be very careful of his writing on websites, newsletters, and other open sources as well. The opposing counsel will at the very least "google" any defendant or witness and may go so far as to order transcripts of past testimony. The local lawyers talk amongst themselves too and hope to find materials that will bolster their case. Venting is a good thing and I strongly recommend hitting an old tire with a baseball bat to vent. It may disturb the neighbors, but it won't humiliate you in court later. Even what you say or write in jest can come back, out of context, to embarrass you. Think first and you won't have cause to regret it later.

"Leave the gun. Bring the cannoli."
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Old 05-30-2008, 06:28 PM   #29
Enrique Antonio Reyes
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Bill Danosky wrote: View Post
I think Aikido techniques are imminently defendable in court. After all, it is the "gentle art of self defense", right? If I'm on the stand, I'll be insisting I train in Aikido to have the least chance of injuring my fellow human beings, even the ones trying to victimize me.
Although I'm neither an Officer nor a lawyer I agree with Bill on this...
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Old 05-30-2008, 07:18 PM   #30
Michael Hackett
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Re: Aikido Training for Policemen

Aikido is very defensible in court, but the application of aikido technique is rarely the issue. In the US, the standard is found in Graham v. Connor and describes appropriate force as that force "a reasonable peace officer would apply in the circumstances." The first question is whether the officer should have been applying any force at all (was it necessary?). If the answer to that is no, then any technique applied is by definition excessive force. If the answer is yes, was the force appropriate for the circumstances? There simply are no clear-cut answers in any factual scenario, but rather a world of various shades of grey. You simply can't rely on the reputation of aikido alone to defend yourself in a lawsuit.

I was originally introduced to aikido while in the academy and used the few techniques we learned there successfully throughout my career. I am convinced that most peace officers here in the US would be truly advantaged if they trained in aikido for a variety of reasons. It works. You can apply as much force as necessary. It is often invisible to onlookers. And lastly, it works. Using aikido will help defend you in litigation because of how it works. A sankyo pin is less damaging than a baton strike. Obviously there are times when an impact weapon or firearm are called for, but having other tools in the toolkit is wonderful.

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