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Old 01-04-2008, 06:41 AM   #1
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Talking You vs Professional Sumo wrestler

How do you think you would fare? Would your aikido work? Mine? I would probably be tossed around like a rag doll.
I wish I could find that article I read about the Sumo wrestler that trained with O-sensei. Apparently, he grabbed O-sensei and immediately recognized a master. Can anybody point me to it?
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Old 01-04-2008, 07:01 AM   #2
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Re: You vs Professional Sumo wrestler

GIven my post Christmas belly, forget Aikido I could probably give him a go at Sumo!

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Old 01-04-2008, 07:56 AM   #3
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Re: You vs Professional Sumo wrestler

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GIven my post Christmas belly, forget Aikido I could probably give him a go at Sumo!
Having seen that belly last night...........................yep

Does that mean that my aikido worked on a sumo wrestler

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Old 01-04-2008, 08:16 AM   #4
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Re: You vs Professional Sumo wrestler

A) Bryan, I don't think we want to know about what bellies you've seen...

B) Me against a sumotori...right side ok, left side ok, in the middle...squash like grape!

C) Founder of Aikido (37): Manchukuo and The Noted Sumo Wrestler Tenryu

http://www.aikidojournal.com/article...highlight=sumo

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Old 01-04-2008, 09:00 AM   #5
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Re: You vs Professional Sumo wrestler

Tenryu was a notorious rikishi. You can see more on
http://www.sumofanmag.com/content/Is...shi_of_Old.htm.

This article mentions how Tenryu met O Sensei on page 4.

Ah. Me vs. a professional sumo wrestler???....no chance. Look at Ama, who is a 115 kg sumotori and see how powerful anyone of these guys are....

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Old 01-04-2008, 09:09 AM   #6
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Re: You vs Professional Sumo wrestler

i'm a big guy by japanese standards (however, back home, there are PLENTY bigger) but when i've "bumped" into these guys the weekend of a tournament, they are giants. titans. gigantor. gojira.
on tv, there's not much to compare them to. i mean they are facing off against each other, but crowding into starbucks next to one is a different story. i'll pass on the "me vs. sumo" challenge!
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Old 01-04-2008, 07:42 PM   #7
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Having seen that belly last night...........................yep

Does that mean that my aikido worked on a sumo wrestler
I concur on this fact!

I have a lot of money riding on the fact i will not only lose it, but bring my six pack (not beer) out to play!!!! Fifty one weeks and counting. I will start trimming down on the driving range with DJ in the morning in the hope I can, like him, beat you at golf!!!!!!!!

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Old 01-04-2008, 07:51 PM   #8
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Re: You vs Professional Sumo wrestler

Can Aikido beat a sumo wrestler?

Well, the 517lb Akebono was defeated by wrist lock at K1 by a guy 347lbs lighter than him...so I would stay positive.
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Old 01-04-2008, 07:55 PM   #9
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Good point Roman!

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Old 01-04-2008, 10:07 PM   #10
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Re: You vs Professional Sumo wrestler

Yea, but that was grappling, not aikido as we all know aikido is not done on the ground on your back and there were not mulitple opponents involved.

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Old 01-05-2008, 03:12 AM   #11
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Re: You vs Professional Sumo wrestler

Is it me of do these questions seem to get increasingly bizarre (no offence to the poster of course) I know we should train for every eventuality but how many professional sumo wrestlers are going to try and attack me on the street, I have never seen one in real life let alone offended one enough for him to try and sit on me.
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Old 01-05-2008, 04:40 AM   #12
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Re: You vs Professional Sumo wrestler

how about me, a sumo wrestler, a bjjer, and Rocky vs. you?
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Old 01-05-2008, 05:28 AM   #13
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Re: You vs Professional Sumo wrestler

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Is it me of do these questions seem to get increasingly bizarre (no offence to the poster of course) I know we should train for every eventuality but how many professional sumo wrestlers are going to try and attack me on the street, I have never seen one in real life let alone offended one enough for him to try and sit on me.
Hello,

Well, this is an international forum and some of us live in Japan and occasionally meet and talk to sumo wrestlers. So, if we are talking about random attacks in the street, I suppose that over here we should be prepared for every eventuality.

Having seen Konishiki in action (weight at the time: 295 kilograms, I believe), I have often wondered how he would fare against someone like the present Doshu or his father, and this is relevant to the other question posed by the original poster: Morihei Ueshiba and Tenryu. I once met Tenryu, at an Aikikai Hombu party way back in the 1980s. He was in his 70s then, but from his build it was obvious that he had been a sumo wrestler.

Actually, Konishiki was almost always beaten by one of the lightest wrestlers, whose name escapes me. This man was an earlier version of Ama. He was also regularly beaten by the yokozuna Chiyonofuji, who visited the Aikikai Hombu Dojo from time to time for training tips: to do with concentrating, focusing and projecting kokyu and/or internal power.

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Old 01-05-2008, 05:58 AM   #14
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Re: You vs Professional Sumo wrestler

I always carry a bowl of rice with me, just for this specific situation.
It should buy me enough time to get away.
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Old 01-05-2008, 06:46 AM   #15
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Re: You vs Professional Sumo wrestler

[quote=Peter A Goldsbury;196815]Hello,

Well, this is an international forum and some of us live in Japan and occasionally meet and talk to sumo wrestlers. So, if we are talking about random attacks in the street, I suppose that over here we should be prepared for every eventuality.

point taken i guess some threads are more relevent to some than others.
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Old 01-05-2008, 07:50 AM   #16
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Re: You vs Professional Sumo wrestler

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Hello,

W He was also regularly beaten by the yokozuna Chiyonofuji, who visited the Aikikai Hombu Dojo from time to time for training tips: to do with concentrating, focusing and projecting kokyu and/or internal power.

Best wishes,
Mr. Goldsbury,

Chiyonofuji is known as one of the bests sumotoris ever.
I think is very important for us to know that such a powerful wrestler visited an Aikido Dojo fot tips. Do you know if he visited a specific shihan?? If you have more details on this subject it would be great...

Thank you!
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Old 01-05-2008, 08:17 AM   #17
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Hello,
Actually, Konishiki was almost always beaten by one of the lightest wrestlers, whose name escapes me.
Mainoumi Shuhei.

Not to turn this into another internal arts thread, but the essential philosophy of sumo is "When pulled, push. When pushed, push." To this end, the professional wrestlers train their bodies to generate tremendous power, and it's not all raw physical strength (or shouldn't be, at any rate).

This match always reminds me of Tohei's ki trick of not being lifted. Wajima and Takanohana have strong grips on each other's belt, which would make a normal person very easy to lift, and yet even with the mutual powerful heaves from the belt, both wrestlers remain rooted to the ground.

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Old 01-05-2008, 09:32 AM   #18
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Actually, Konishiki was almost always beaten by one of the lightest wrestlers, whose name escapes me. This man was an earlier version of Ama. He was also regularly beaten by the yokozuna Chiyonofuji, who visited the Aikikai Hombu Dojo from time to time for training tips: to do with concentrating, focusing and projecting kokyu and/or internal power.

Best wishes,
Mainoumi, as somebody mentioned, who was an excellent technician. Of course, he never won enough to get up to Konishiki's rank - not enough weight. Here's an interesting clip of Konishiki defeating Chiyonofuji rather easily:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ky54AVtT7UQ

I saw Chiyonofuji in an interview in which he was very complimentary about Konishiki. Konishiki blasted through a lot of sumo records on the way to Ozeki, the lighter wrestlers only started defeating him after his knees went and he couldn't get off the mark quickly enough. Of course, a large part of the reason why his strategy was successful was because it fit the restrictions of a sumo tournament.

As to getting attacked by sumo wrestlers - not so farfetched in Tokyo. They're mostly young guys, and you can often run into them drinking (heavily) in Roppongi.

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Old 01-05-2008, 11:08 AM   #19
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Re: You vs Professional Sumo wrestler

I guess the question is how would you fare against someone 100 - 200lbs heavier than you.
That's a hard question to answer.
However, I do believe we should train with ukes of different sizes and weight to refine our techniques.

At least it would give you some experience just in case...
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Re: You vs Professional Sumo wrestler

Depends. When I faced him what would he be wearing? If he were wearing street clothes I would give him a wedgee! At his size by the time he dug it out I would have destroyed him
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Old 01-05-2008, 12:00 PM   #21
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Thanks for the links Ron and Bruno.
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Old 01-05-2008, 01:03 PM   #22
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Thanks for the links Ron and Bruno.
You´re welcome...

I am really interested on Sumo. I think anyone has a lot to lean watching these guys wrestling.
That bout between Wajima and Takanohana I is amazing (thanks for the link, Joshua). I wish I could do that...
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Old 01-05-2008, 01:58 PM   #23
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I guess the question is how would you fare against someone 100 - 200lbs heavier than you.
That's a hard question to answer.
Not really, happens to me all the time.

FWIW, Tenryu and Gozo Shioda were training buddies before the war.

Best,

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Old 01-06-2008, 02:37 AM   #24
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.........I will start trimming down on the driving range with DJ in the morning in the hope I can, like him, beat you at golf!!!!!!!!
Better get practicing then, ask him how he got on the second time

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As to getting attacked by sumo wrestlers - not so farfetched in Tokyo.
It wouldn't be far fetched up here in Tohoku either. While we don't have any professionals out in the countryside, lots of guys have done in school, from elementary through high school. It's probably more than one out of 20 in my town.

Having screwed around with some of the members of the club at my junior high and having watched practice, they without a doubt
1) are incredibly strong,
2) are amazing agile,
3) are nigh impervious to pain,
and
4) have an outstanding sense of balance and kuzushi.
And these are just the 12- to 15-year-olds.

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