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Old 10-26-2007, 06:20 PM   #1
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Implications here?

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Your training is your own responsibility. No one is going to take you by the hand and lead you to proficiency in aikido. In particular, it is not the responsibility of the instructor or senior students to see to it that you learn anything. Part of aikido training is learning to observe effectively. Before asking for help, therefore, you should first try to figure the technique out for yourself by watching others.
I grabbed this from the aikiwiki section. Reading it gives me the idea that Aikido, or any training of any sort that I can think of, is the sole responsibility of the individual when it comes to how good his or her training should be.
What are some logical implications which you think might come from this?
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Old 10-26-2007, 08:27 PM   #2
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I grabbed this from the aikiwiki section. Reading it gives me the idea that Aikido, or any training of any sort that I can think of, is the sole responsibility of the individual when it comes to how good his or her training should be.
What are some logical implications which you think might come from this?
Sincerely,
Matthew
This is what O Sensei is believed to have said about the subject...

"Instructors can only impart a fraction of the teaching. It is through your own devoted practice that the mysteries of the art of peace are brought to life."

William Hazen

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Old 10-26-2007, 10:09 PM   #3
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Re: Implications here?

The standard spiel is 10% from the teacher and 90% from the self.

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Old 10-26-2007, 10:14 PM   #4
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What are some logical implications which you think might come from this?
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Simple. Grow up and be your own man (or woman). Take FULL responsibilty for yourself, your actions and your current state. It is easy to put the responsibilty on others but that is a dead end street. Accepting yourself and all of your flaws will yield far greater improvements.

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Old 10-27-2007, 04:07 AM   #5
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Read Musuashi's ' The Way of Self Reliance'..... inspiriational stuff.

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Old 10-27-2007, 10:25 AM   #6
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"Part of aikido training is learning to observe effectively."

Don't overlook this. In teasing out the subtleties of a technique by observing sensei, you are also training yourself to observe the subtleties of an attacker.

In other words, it's always nicer to know which hand the knife is in.

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Old 10-27-2007, 01:22 PM   #7
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You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink -

but it the horse ASKED you to lead it to water, the leading part is your responsibility.

I can't LEARN a technique for you, but if you come to my dojo, it's my responsibility to (at least try to ) TEACH it. With out this feeling of obligation, students might just as well stay home and learn from video tapes.

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Old 10-27-2007, 09:13 PM   #8
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Signing up with a dojo does not make the instructor responsible for your life. That is still your job. The instructor can teach the moves, and foster your growth, but each of us is responsible for ourselves on the most diverse of levels. You affirmed that concept when you dragged your keister into the dojo in the first place.
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Old 10-27-2007, 09:19 PM   #9
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To be good at anything you need 3 things. A knowledgeable teacher, a good training method, and a unending desire to do your best. I'd say that last one is the most important.

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Old 10-30-2007, 11:33 AM   #10
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You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink
That sums it up And the horse will not drink if it is not thirsty. Or in a zen way: you must start by emptying your tea cup.

Musashi said: The teacher is the needle, the student is the thread. They have their separate roles and responsibilities.

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Old 10-30-2007, 02:36 PM   #11
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Its not implied. Its stated.
Who else could be response-able for my training and learning other than me?
If there is some one else, I have a real complaint to take up with them about the speed of the process. If you see them, don't tell them I am looking for them. They'd just hide.

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Old 10-30-2007, 08:21 PM   #12
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indeed you are powerful as the Doshu has forseen. Come with me...I will complete your training. Together we will defeat all MMA atheletes...resistance training is foolish!

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Old 10-31-2007, 07:11 PM   #13
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indeed you are powerful as the Doshu has forseen. Come with me...I will complete your training. Together we will defeat all MMA atheletes...resistance training is foolish!

Oh dear lord! I'm laughing so hard that I'm drooling!

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Old 11-01-2007, 01:48 PM   #14
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[quote=Shannon Frye;192583]You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink -

but it the horse ASKED you to lead it to water, the leading part is your responsibility.

I wish I had a talking horse.

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Old 11-02-2007, 10:35 PM   #15
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You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink -

but it the horse ASKED you to lead it to water, the leading part is your responsibility.

I wish I had a talking horse.
Hehehe - "Hey Willllburrrr - grab my hoof"

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Old 11-03-2007, 12:05 AM   #16
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You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink
You can if you... no... I just can't say it.

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Old 11-03-2007, 11:10 AM   #17
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That sums it up And the horse will not drink if it is not thirsty. Or in a zen way: you must start by emptying your tea cup.

Musashi said: The teacher is the needle, the student is the thread. They have their separate roles and responsibilities.
In the application of sewing, the needle is only good with the thread. One needs a needle to lead the thread. The thread should be strong and of the appropriate length. Too short, more re-threading is required; too long, the thread will be tangled. The size (eye) of the needle should appropriate with the thickness of the thread. There are different needles for different threads.

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Old 11-09-2007, 05:53 AM   #18
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In the application of sewing, the needle is only good with the thread. One needs a needle to lead the thread. The thread should be strong and of the appropriate length. Too short, more re-threading is required; too long, the thread will be tangled. The size (eye) of the needle should appropriate with the thickness of the thread. There are different needles for different threads.

Implications??
hum
frankly i am not that keen, after all the thread has to go into the neddle hole.(head fitst might i add)

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