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Old 09-10-2007, 01:37 PM   #26
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Re: The swallow cut?!!!

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Gasshi-uchi. As I understand it, gasshi-uchi is similar to Ono-ha Itto-ryu's kiri-otoshi, if anyone knows that. There's no flick in the deflection; the YSR swordsman simply times his jodan attack a split second later than the opponent's, cutting straight down his own center line. Apparently, starting that split-second later causes the deflection of the opponent's sword.
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I hope it does, this is what a zhornhaw (strike of warth) is all about.

About the swallow tail cut)
May be it is all of them.

I do not know if it helps, but another cut called the krumphaw. (crooked/curved strike cut)
And a deflection done from that cut, "as soon as the blade clangs" we either reverse the sword to strike with the short edge at the head.
There is another cut where you do that even before contact between the sword (a shielhaw, glancing strike)

Both have tat in common the structure of the deflection comes from the position of the sword swinging to the left via the handle during the cut. (if the cut was originally from the right

In long sword taking the short edge, put your wrist elbow in a very strong alignment, however because stiking efficiently with the short edge is relatively difficult to teach beginner, I use a version where you make the shape but using the long edge . (The only edge you have on a tachi/katana).

If we assume that the "drying pole" was as the legend has it an almost straight and quite long sword). Either would work a treat, after all a long sword is longer than a katana/taschi

But what I am trying to get at is may be the swallow tail cut is more akin to a given long sword cut name and is collection of possibilities using the same principle rather than a very strict single cut description.

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Old 09-11-2007, 02:39 AM   #27
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Re: The swallow cut?!!!

fwiw, please see:

http://nonbiri.boo.jp/sinwa%2017.html

note the grip on the 2nd to the last pic.
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Old 09-11-2007, 02:40 AM   #28
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Pictures of the same statue at

http://www.edita.jp/kagoshima-food/o...ood528611.html
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Old 09-11-2007, 05:27 AM   #29
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Re: The swallow cut?!!!

Woodcut of a Kabuki actor playing the part of Sasaki Kojiro, supposedly about to perform Tsubame-Gaeshi

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Old 09-12-2007, 12:16 PM   #30
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it is my understanding that the statue and the drawings are way posterior to the events so it not likely that they can be relied upon.

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Old 09-12-2007, 12:26 PM   #31
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Re: The swallow cut?!!!

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Woodcut of a Kabuki actor playing the part of Sasaki Kojiro, supposedly about to perform Tsubame-Gaeshi
And apparently getting whacked rather handily with an oar for his trouble...

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Old 09-12-2007, 12:50 PM   #32
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And apparently getting whacked rather handily with an oar for his trouble...

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Hehehe.. I guess it's our idol, "Ruler of a Cave, never take a bath" Musashi at the other end of that boat oar...

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Old 09-12-2007, 12:54 PM   #33
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i think that it works on the same principle as that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGZTMVd8Cu8

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Old 09-13-2007, 07:06 PM   #34
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Hehehe.. I guess it's our idol, "Ruler of a Cave, never take a bath" Musashi at the other end of that boat oar...
It is.... One of his duals featured him crippling/killing his opponent with a boat oar.

I can referance later when I get home it if anyone wants specifics...

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Old 09-14-2007, 01:43 AM   #35
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It is.... One of his duals featured him crippling/killing his opponent with a boat oar.

I can referance later when I get home it if anyone wants specifics...

William Hazen
It must be a woodcut of the climactic moment of a Kabuki play about the duel between Sasaki Kojiro and Miyamoto Musashi at Ganryu Island. I can't translate the kanji but if one looks closely you can see the setting is on a beach (wonder how they replicated that on a kabuki stage?). Anyway, the story goes that Musashi woke up late, and spent the boat trip to the island whittling on a spare boat oar (eku) with his wakizashi, until it resembled a crude bokken. It was this boat oar /bokken that he used to mortally wound Sasaki just as the latter was performing tsubame gaeshi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasaki_Kojiro

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Old 09-14-2007, 11:58 AM   #36
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It must be a woodcut of the climactic moment of a Kabuki play about the duel between Sasaki Kojiro and Miyamoto Musashi at Ganryu Island. I can't translate the kanji but if one looks closely you can see the setting is on a beach (wonder how they replicated that on a kabuki stage?). Anyway, the story goes that Musashi woke up late, and spent the boat trip to the island whittling on a spare boat oar (eku) with his wakizashi, until it resembled a crude bokken. It was this boat oar /bokken that he used to mortally wound Sasaki just as the latter was performing tsubame gaeshi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasaki_Kojiro
Thanks for the info Cito...

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