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Old 05-13-2007, 05:54 AM   #1
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broke collarbone

yesterday, near the end of ukeing for a friend's 3rd kyu test, i landed on my shoulder and broke my clavicle (no separation).

i've been training since september and the rolls and breakfalls and ukemi in general have been progressing really well. Strong ukemi is a high priority with our senseis as is training well to avoid injury.

i was extra tired yesterday, not feeling 100% and almost asked Sensei to excuse me from ukeing for the remainder of the test (a bunch of us were taking turns), but had never had the opportunity to do that before and we were almost done. so, long and short is that it was a preventable accident, but oh well!

anyone else out there had this injury before? how was your recovery? any recc's for staying limber during the hiatus from training?

thanks in advance for your help.

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Old 05-13-2007, 08:10 AM   #2
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MIne wasn't a broken collarbone, it was a "simple" shoulder seperation. In my second class. Ever.
Time. Rest.Proper rehab. And more time.
I watched every single class that I had to Not train, and Sensei partnered with me and showed me how to do lots of techniques one-handed, none of which I can remember now, of course!.

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Old 05-13-2007, 09:08 AM   #3
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yesterday, near the end of ukeing for a friend's 3rd kyu test, i landed on my shoulder and broke my clavicle (no separation).

i've been training since september and the rolls and breakfalls and ukemi in general have been progressing really well. Strong ukemi is a high priority with our senseis as is training well to avoid injury.

i was extra tired yesterday, not feeling 100% and almost asked Sensei to excuse me from ukeing for the remainder of the test (a bunch of us were taking turns), but had never had the opportunity to do that before and we were almost done. so, long and short is that it was a preventable accident, but oh well!

anyone else out there had this injury before? how was your recovery? any recc's for staying limber during the hiatus from training?

thanks in advance for your help.

Jenny
Been there, done that... I broke my collar bone and then had to take my San Dan test with my arm in a sling. Anyway, that injury us actually not as bad as some rotator cuff injuries which seem to hang around forever. 6 - 8 weeks till it heals and some time for conditioning until its back to full strength.

Once the initial bone repair has taken place, a good exercise is to take a Bo and hold it in your hand at one end and make slow circles with it, high, low, up, down, any angle you can think of. Do it really slowly, breath, and try to relax all of the muscles you can. It will strengthen all of the connective material and also increase the range of motion you have.

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Old 05-13-2007, 10:24 AM   #4
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What they said! Don't try to shorten the body's natural healing time of 6 to 8 wks, because on the cellular level you really can't. The exercises George describes are a variant of "pendulum exercises" which your doctor or PT can show you - they are very gentle exercises intended to prevent the rest of the shoulder structures from getting stiff and "frozen" during the healing and rehab process.

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Old 05-13-2007, 05:55 PM   #5
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a friend broke his in 3 places when an instructor did not let go of his arm throwing him ude hiji nage. He was visiting a dojo. It knocked out for 9 months.
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Old 05-13-2007, 07:06 PM   #6
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Woaw...explain. Broke my collar bone 2 years ago during a dojo ski trip. (haha...) Huge amounts of pain just moving around with it, getting up/sitting down, let alone performing techniques. You're either the toughest guy in Aikido, or there's something here you're not telling us. I don't know anyone who would pass a San Dan test with a broken clavicle, let alone even be allowed to test. (What's the point? In a hurry?)

Anyway, most depressing 2 months of my life.
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Old 05-13-2007, 09:18 PM   #7
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You're either the toughest guy in Aikido, or there's something here you're not telling us. I don't know anyone who would pass a San Dan test with a broken clavicle, let alone even be allowed to test. (What's the point? In a hurry?)
I wasn't the one who decided on this... I had moved to Seattle and it wasn't so easy to get back to DC. I finally made it for summer camp which was a week of training and Sensei told me at the beginning of the week that he wanted me to test at the end of the week. On Wed I got dropped on my shoulder. Yes, it was painful, but i don't think it was as bad as yours... Sensei kept wandering by as I watched class and he looked at me like I had done this to get out of testing. In the end he had me test anyway. Instead of paired sword I had to use a shoto and instead of the usual paired jo, I had to use a cane to defend against the jo. All my empty hand was done on one side as the other was immobilized. Sensei's not one to let you off the hook unless you're just about dead... As to the point... I guess Sensei wanted to see what i would come up with.

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Old 05-14-2007, 06:05 AM   #8
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Re: broke collarbone

Wow! That's quite a tale!

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Once the initial bone repair has taken place, a good exercise is to take a Bo and hold it in your hand at one end and make slow circles with it, high, low, up, down, any angle you can think of. Do it really slowly, breath, and try to relax all of the muscles you can. It will strengthen all of the connective material and also increase the range of motion you have.
Do you mean on the injured side? Also...when you say "Bo", I'm not sure which weapon you mean.

Also, since this is on one side, am I at risk of screwing up my back from compensating for it?
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Old 05-14-2007, 09:23 AM   #9
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Bo = Bo Staff, should be about 6' in length

as for potential back damage, i don't know, though i supposed it could be a possibility
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Old 05-14-2007, 09:59 AM   #10
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Hmm ... I was in my early to mid 20's (years ago) and was with friends and family playing a variation of some kind of paintball war kind of game in the woods. Anyway, I tripped, fell, and rolled on the ground. There was a slight bump when I rolled but I didn't think anything of it, especially the rock I had rolled over. Silly me (that rock did some damage). About an hour later, I found my cousin and said that I thought something was wrong. I had a bump on my upper left shoulder area. My arm was fine, there was no pain -- just this little bump. I explained that the only thing that could have caused it was my fall and roll. He looks at it and asks if I want to go to the hospital. I said no. Half an hour later, I decide, yeah, I'd better get it checked out. The bump did feel funny.

So, I get X-rays and voila -- I completely broke my left side collarbone in the middle. Not only did it break, but the ends separated. The end of the left side break is actually under the end of the right side. Really cool xray. I should have kept it and had it framed.

They gave me a sort of neck/arm brace thingy to wear and sent me on my way. That brace thingy lasted all of a day.

The end result was that I suffered no pain, no bruising, no lingering after affects (so far), no loss of any functionality at all, etc. I still have the bump. I wasn't doing martial arts at the time, but we still did a lot of running and playing in the woods, roughhousing, wrestling, etc. What can I say, I get older, but I refuse to grow up. lol.

And yeah, I consider myself lucky.

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Old 05-14-2007, 10:27 AM   #11
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Re: broke collarbone

The "bump" Mark describes is pretty typical of a shoulder separation. Many folks who have a separation (of clavical from scapula) end up with a bump.

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Old 05-14-2007, 10:35 AM   #12
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A shoulder separation at the acromioclavicular joint (a-c joint) will cause a bump, as will a fracture when callus formation takes place and also because they generally doing realign them.
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Old 05-14-2007, 10:39 AM   #13
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The "bump" Mark describes is pretty typical of a shoulder separation. Many folks who have a separation (of clavical from scapula) end up with a bump.
Weird. Never experienced a shoulder separation. I know someone that did and they said it was very painful. Does the bump go away?

But, just to clarify, my injury was my collarbone snapping in two, right near dead center of the bone.

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Old 05-14-2007, 12:52 PM   #14
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Does the bump go away?
I had a shoulder separation as a high school wrestler. Twenty-two years later, I still have a bump. And my shoulder sometimes makes a cement-mixer noise. A bump and grind!
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Old 05-14-2007, 07:05 PM   #15
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Sometimes I get the feeling that my entire aikido career has just been a lurch from one injury to the next. Broken nose twice (first time looked like a Picasso painting, no kidding!), separated shoulder, broken phalanx...worst of the bunch was the shoulder. Out for nine months repairing that sucker, it darn near ended my aikido training for good.

Right now I'm off the mat because I tried to play Thor, God of Thunder with the weights, and ripped the crap out of my rhomboids and pecs. Sensei suggested that maybe aikido and weight lifting aren't a good combo. I kinda thought it was a nice yin/yang thing, but maybe not.
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Sorry I wasn't as clear as I thought I was; my point was that on shoulder separation one is often left w/ permanent bump.
To original poster: I know your problem was fracture, which is why I specifically addressed my comment re separation to a later poster.

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Avery, as one chiro to another, you need to take better care of yourself. As you get older, you'll find it pays to play nicer .
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Broken nose twice (first time looked like a Picasso painting, no kidding!), separated shoulder, broken phalanx...worst of the bunch was the shoulder.
A broken phalanx is bad news. You pretty much have to break out your xiphos at that point and scrap as best as you can without a shield/spear defense.
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it's really helpful to know from all of you that injuries happen and that they heal! thank you for sharing all these tales.

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Wow! That's quite a tale!

Do you mean on the injured side? Also...when you say "Bo", I'm not sure which weapon you mean.

Also, since this is on one side, am I at risk of screwing up my back from compensating for it?
A Bo is a six foot staff (approx)

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Old 05-16-2007, 11:57 AM   #21
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George, also curious about whether the exercise you mentioned is to be done on the injured side (I'm assuming so).

edited to add: just reread your post and it seems fairly obvious that yes, on the injured side...

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yesterday, near the end of ukeing for a friend's 3rd kyu test, i landed on my shoulder and broke my clavicle (no separation).

anyone else out there had this injury before? how was your recovery? any recc's for staying limber during the hiatus from training?

thanks in advance for your help.

Jenny
I was still practicing on a fractured collarbone, and bad luck, I got dropped right on that shoulder, and it was already cracked and it popped good. I got the video and you can hear it.

Let it heal is my advice before rushing back. Evaluate it before you jump in too soon and re-injure it. Although they probably won't have you taking lots of ukemi when you first get back. Be careful and let it heal. Also do exercises to strengthen the muscles in the shoulder that will have atrophied during the time it's immobile.

I'm not sure exactly why, but it seemed to take my collar bone some time to start healing. Everytime I moved It seemed to be rubbing bone on bone. I felt it popping all the time. It's been a year and a few months, and it's still aches in the mornings if I sleep on that shoulder. I'm still careful with it, even though from what I've been told it should be stronger than before.

It's the most commonly broken bone and we have a guy in class who just broke his (in a car accident). I'll take a broken collar bone over rotator cuff, ligament, or nerve damage anyday.

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update at the 3+ month mark:
I'm basically healed!
I started easing back VERY cautiously into class at about a month. Once I got the green light from the doc I have been just paying very close attention to my body's signals and so far so good. thanks for all the great experience shared here. It really helped a lot, esp to show that I would get through this and I did.
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