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Old 12-09-2001, 01:59 PM   #1
Jacques
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Question The rank of Shiran

Hi there

Has any of you people heard of the rank of Shiran? I know Kancho, Soke, Shihan, Renshi, etc., but our previous instructor called himself Shiran.

Can anybody please tell me if such a rank exists and what it means because I have never read anywhere about it.

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Old 12-09-2001, 02:29 PM   #2
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Re: The rank of Shiran

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Has any of you people heard of the rank of Shiran?
I've never heard of it. Jun speaks Nihongo fluently; he could probably give you a better answer.

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Old 12-09-2001, 04:09 PM   #3
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Sounds like someone misheard something somewhere.

Either Jacques or his previous instructor.

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Old 12-09-2001, 08:44 PM   #4
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shiran is often used as a short way of saying shiranai which means "I don't know". It also means a bletilla. Some kind of plant I guess. I have an electronic dictionary on my desk.
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Old 12-10-2001, 09:21 AM   #5
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Re: The rank of Shiran

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Originally posted by Jacques
Has any of you people heard of the rank of Shiran?
Nope.
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I know Kancho, Soke, Shihan, Renshi, etc., but our previous instructor called himself Shiran.
Japanese people won't refer to themselves as sensei, shihand, kancho, soke, or whatever as referring to their "rank". The only time they'll do so is if the term describes what they do as in, "Hi, I'm Yamada. I'm a teacher." Never would they say, "Hi, I'm Yamada sensei."

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Old 12-10-2001, 11:45 AM   #6
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Re: Re: The rank of Shiran

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Nope.

Hi Jun
Thanks for such a short answer.

Japanese people won't refer to themselves as sensei, shihand, kancho, soke, or whatever as referring to their "rank". The only time they'll do so is if the term describes what they do as in, "Hi, I'm Yamada. I'm a teacher." Never would they say, "Hi, I'm Yamada sensei."

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I have heard this as well. Thanks for your reply.

Jacques

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