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Old 06-27-2007, 04:47 AM   #1
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Aikido vs. Holduppers

3 gangs foiled by an aikido practitioner in Manila, Philippines.

http://www.gmanews.tv/video/8361/Aikido-blackbelter-foils-3-holdup-men
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Old 06-27-2007, 07:03 AM   #2
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Re: Aikido vs. Holduppers

Only word I understood was Aikido hee hee.
Anyway this was a good evidence that Randori can work if you know how to direct your focus.
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Old 06-27-2007, 07:54 AM   #3
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Re: Aikido vs. Holduppers

And to think of all those posters who said that Aikido would not work in a "real" fight.

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Old 06-27-2007, 09:13 AM   #4
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Re: Aikido vs. Holduppers

Hey Jun, how about that video forum I keep asking for?

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Old 06-27-2007, 09:14 AM   #5
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Re: Aikido vs. Holduppers

I was surprised that they were showing the suspects on camera...even apparently asking them questions about what happened.

As for the "real life aikido" thing -- only anecdotally, not scientifically.
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Old 06-27-2007, 09:31 AM   #6
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Re: Aikido vs. Holduppers

I wish we could have seen the actual fight.

Though it was funny to see the three guys looking very, very sad.
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Old 06-27-2007, 10:20 AM   #7
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Re: Aikido vs. Holduppers

Here's a short translation:
The aikidoka and his girlfriend got surrounded by the three guys while walking the night before. The girlfriend during the interview claimed that the guy in white shirt had a butterfly knife, while the guy in green held her. Nothing was mentioned about the other guy but my guess is he was with the aikidoka and got the first friendly kiss from the ground. when they interviewed the aikidoka (ball cap covering his face), he did not go into detail on how or what he did to the crooks. The crooks during the interview claimed innocence of course.

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Old 06-27-2007, 11:09 AM   #8
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Wow they had a knife. That makes me appreciate more the fact that none of the gang members had no visible injury. That is the perfect example of Aiki...probably 3 Vs 1 and a knife I would have aimed more to break a few bones to save me and my girlfriend.
(But of course at my level I would have just gotten stabbed several times hee hee).
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Old 06-27-2007, 11:33 AM   #9
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Here's a short translation:
The aikidoka and his girlfriend got surrounded by the three guys while walking the night before. The girlfriend during the interview claimed that the guy in white shirt had a butterfly knife, while the guy in green held her. Nothing was mentioned about the other guy but my guess is he was with the aikidoka and got the first friendly kiss from the ground. when they interviewed the aikidoka (ball cap covering his face), he did not go into detail on how or what he did to the crooks. The crooks during the interview claimed innocence of course.
Thank you for the translation. Fun stuff.
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Old 06-27-2007, 11:52 AM   #10
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I was surprised that they were showing the suspects on camera...even apparently asking them questions about what happened.

As for the "real life aikido" thing -- only anecdotally, not scientifically.
Meaning what?

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Old 06-27-2007, 02:12 PM   #11
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Meaning what?
"A friend of mine who used to smoke a lot got lung cancer. You shouldn't smoke."

vs.

"A large-n study correcting for confounding variables finds that smokers have ten times the risk of non-smokers of developing lung cancer."

Another example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i37NOUTOoPg
"This video shows a spinning kick to the head knocking someone senseless. Therefore, this kind of kick is a good attack to use if you want to knock someone out."

vs.

"The majority of knockouts in professional kickboxing are due to punches to the head, according to a large-n study of past matches. Contestants who attempt a jumping spin kick are usually defeated, and consequently few competitors employ such kicks."

I'm just pointing out the superiority of repeatable, verifiable experiments relative to second-hand anecdotes. You can find stories of people allegedly fending off attackers in all kinds of ways. Like putting an RNC on a bobcat, or using kung fu against five guys with baseball bats. A story with a (hyped up, trying-to-sell-papers) news article attached is just slightly more compelling than "This story my friend heard once."

But sure, it's an interesting story.

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Old 06-28-2007, 02:15 AM   #12
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Re: Aikido vs. Holduppers

I would like to share this video about ... well, not really aikido vs holduppers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VYLCP0JeIU
Enjoy.
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Old 06-28-2007, 05:46 AM   #13
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Re: Aikido vs. Holduppers

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I would like to share this video about ... well, not really aikido vs holduppers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VYLCP0JeIU
Enjoy.
I miss those. I wish they'd do more of them.
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Old 06-28-2007, 08:26 AM   #14
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Re: Aikido vs. Holduppers

Seagal is a twit from what I've heard, but I like the commercial.
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Old 06-28-2007, 10:23 AM   #15
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Re: Aikido vs. Holduppers

Great, now everytime another "Aikido on the street" thread comes up, people are gonna be linking this article.

Props and respect to the guy for getting himself and his lady out of the situation. But no video, no explanation of what he did? For all we know he pulled out his own butterfly knife and waved it around at the dudes. Hehe.
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Old 06-28-2007, 11:16 AM   #16
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Re: Aikido vs. Holduppers

From what i've heard pretty much everyone in the Phillipines carries a blade; it's their culture.
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Old 06-28-2007, 11:22 AM   #17
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Re: Aikido vs. Holduppers

Problem solved then!

The holduppers probably got aikistabbed.
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Old 06-28-2007, 11:24 AM   #18
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Problem solved then!

The holduppers probably got aikistabbed.
Like the Shioda-sensei "broken bottle in the face" technique. The broken bottle joined completely with the attacker, using their own momentum.
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:01 PM   #19
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Like the Shioda-sensei "broken bottle in the face" technique. The broken bottle joined completely with the attacker, using their own momentum.
Just read "angry white pyjamas" by any chance?
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Old 06-28-2007, 12:08 PM   #20
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Just read "angry white pyjamas" by any chance?
Actually, no...just remember hearing it somewhere. I think it may have been in that series on AikidoJournal about Shioda's life. (Wacky series, that.)

I took a look at that book...and the negative things I'd heard were pretty well-substantiated. Shioda-sensei says, "Hm, let's see how much aikido we can slam into you in a year of insanely hard training...anyone want to be a guinea pig?" and this guy says, "Sure!" Then he WHINES INCESSANTLY ABOUT HOW HARD IT WAS. What did you expect, genius?

The worst I saw while flipping through was the section about how happy he was when Shioda died, because it meant they got some time off training.

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Old 06-28-2007, 12:12 PM   #21
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Re: Aikido vs. Holduppers

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From what i've heard pretty much everyone in the Phillipines carries a blade; it's their culture.
And who told you that? Someone who actually lived there?

As someone who was born and bred there, I think I'm qualified to comment.

I think the knife carrying proportion of the population in urban areas of the Philippines is no larger than in most other countries of the world.
In the rural areas, adults regularly carry blades (machetes or bolos) as part of their work as farmers.

The image of fhe Philippines as a "knife bearing culture" is vastly exaggerated, I think.

All the best,

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Old 06-28-2007, 12:27 PM   #22
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From what i've heard pretty much everyone in the Phillipines carries a blade; it's their culture.
Yes that is indeed true, just like in the U.S. everybody wears body armor and carries an M-16 (a friend of mine doing a semester of foreign study in Malaysia was actually asked if that was true)

Bronson

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Old 06-28-2007, 12:47 PM   #23
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Yes that is indeed true, just like in the U.S. everybody wears body armor and carries an M-16 (a friend of mine doing a semester of foreign study in Malaysia was actually asked if that was true)

Bronson
And just like in Scotland, everyone wears a kilt and carries a claymore

Sorry, Jo, couldn't resist!

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Old 06-28-2007, 10:04 PM   #24
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Howdy from Texas, where the sixguns are riding low on our hips and the cattle are in every persons spread, y'all.

Dont'cha love the typecasting?
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Old 06-29-2007, 01:09 AM   #25
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Well, I'm not sure what happens in the colonies but I'm never seen without my pinstripe suit, bowler hat and furled umbrella.

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