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Old 03-12-2007, 01:57 PM   #1
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Shoulder Injury

I'm not sure where this goes, so I'm putting it in the general folder.

Anyways, last October I got injured doing something like an ushiro tobi ukemi. Instead of landing on my side, I ended up doing something like a back-dive and landed on my shoulder. I've had x-rays and MRIs, so I know that nothing is dislocated or broken. However my arm and back (near the shoulder blades) still hurts, and I have no real strength in my left arm. I took about 6 weeks off (I was told that that should be more than enough time to heal), but now, months later, I'm still in a fair amount of pain. Occassionally I will get these strange "clicks" in my shoulder.

My sensei says to take it easy (I'm trying...really) and to stretch gently. I was wondering if anyone else had any experience/advice with this kind of injury.

Thanks <_(_ _)_>
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Old 03-12-2007, 02:01 PM   #2
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Re: Shoulder Injury

First, I would go to a sports med doctor if you have not already. This sounds like a rotator cuff injury. These are hard to heal and if not done properly can lead to lifelong pain and problems. Do not trust general practitioner docs on this. Typically you will be sent to physical therapy and given a lot of exercises to help the area. Do them and keep doing them for long after the pain stops. You need to rehab that joint.

Of course my wife went to the doctor 4 times until they finally figured out she had a hairline fracture of her collar bone.

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Old 03-12-2007, 02:48 PM   #3
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Re: Shoulder Injury

I feel your pain... Boy do I EVER. I can tell you that many shoulder injuries can become chronic. My own problems have kept me at low capabilities, or off the mat completely, for a couple of years. For me, the only remaining answer is surgery, but I cannot put myself out of work for two months or more, so for now, I just endure.

Your particular problem is different from mine, however, so I will limit my advice to the obvious and more general. Seek a competent orthopaedic specialist, and don't do anything that might make things worse. If the pain goes away, remember that there WAS a reason for it, and that the underlying problem may remain. If it's determined that there is no lasting injury, then you might go to a Chinese herbalist and get some Dit Da Jow. It will help with the pain and healing. (Cats will follow you around, though...) Good luck. Hope you get some answers and some relief soon.
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Old 03-12-2007, 05:56 PM   #4
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Re: Shoulder Injury

What did the MRI say? Any ligaments or capsular tears? Did you damage the labrum?
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Old 03-13-2007, 07:16 AM   #5
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Re: Shoulder Injury

If you haven't done so already, get to a chiropractor or an osteopath. the weakness sounds like a nerve issue to me. Once you have done that, a very good rehab exercise is to take a bom hold it on the end with the effected hand and do slow full motion rotations in all planes of movement. I did this and it cleared up a shoulder problem that had been around for a long time.

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Old 03-13-2007, 07:40 AM   #6
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If you haven't done so already, get to a chiropractor or an osteopath. the weakness sounds like a nerve issue to me. Once you have done that, a very good rehab exercise is to take a bom hold it on the end with the effected hand and do slow full motion rotations in all planes of movement. I did this and it cleared up a shoulder problem that had been around for a long time.
Obviously, I meant to say "Bo". The editing function wouldn't let me change it...

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Old 03-13-2007, 07:50 AM   #7
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Re: Shoulder Injury

Thank you all for your comments and advice. The MRI didn't show any tears. However, after I went to an orthopedist, he reccomended other types of MRIs (comparitive) which he said should have been done the first time. He also had me sign up for more x-rays at his brother in law's place again. I can only take so many days off of work, so I kinda just wanted to do some physical therapy, but this guy wants to get his medical imaging fees in. (I'm not saying I don't need it, but being told to go back to the incompetant bro-in-laws place to hope they do the "right" tests doesn't seem like a great idea either.)
Anyways, I'll try the bo exercise while I look for a new doctor. (I don't suppose anyone knows a good ortho guy in Dayton?)
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Let us know what the new MRI shows.
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Old 03-30-2007, 11:35 AM   #9
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Re: Shoulder Injury

I finally got in to see a better doc. I got a corizone shot (which helped immensly...seriously, it's probably the best shot I've ever been given), and a perscription for physical therapy, which I intend to start soon.

Thanks everyone for your advice.
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Old 03-30-2007, 09:49 PM   #10
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Re: Shoulder Injury

Paul,

FWIW - I had a nagging knee injury for years that was progressively getting worse, and my orthopedic surgeon sent me for an MRI after I complained enough. The results were inconclusive, and physical examination didn't show anything either because I had a lot of muscular compensation (and could not consciously let him manipulate it out of joint while awake, no matter how hard I tried to relax). Nevertheless, he finally agreed to scope it, if nothing else to prove to me it was all in my head.

Funny, he was the one with the surprize that morning. After searching for 20 minutes, he finally found the microscopic shredded remains of my ACL, and a decent-sized tear in my meniscus. He reconstructed the ACL on the spot, and elected to leave the tear because it was smooth until it acts up. He was rather amazed because the MRI actually showed that I had an ACL just two weeks before the surgery.

So don't trust everything the MRI tells you. If it's an open MRI as opposed to that claustrophobic nightmare tube, the resolution is decreased. There are also other reasons why the scan doesnt always show the actual condition. If you keep having issues, I would consider asking for a quick exploratory scope.

Best of luck!
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Old 03-31-2007, 05:47 AM   #11
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Re: Shoulder Injury

If you doctor had not told you, you should NEVER get more that 1-3 of those shots in the same area. That shot also helps to break down that inflamed tissue and you do need that tissue!

I have been a BIG fan of Chinese medicine. If it has worked for thousands of years, they must be doing something right. The people I see do acupuncture, bone setting, and a variety of other modalities. I have found bone setting to heal quicker than any western medicine modalities. Chinese medicine is not a substitute for surgery, when it is necessary.

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Old 03-31-2007, 06:42 PM   #12
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Hope it isn't as bad as it sounds but typically shoulder joints take longer to heal, they are above the heart so do not have the benefit of gravity!

I suffered a grade 3/4 subluxion of the A/C joint just a month after my shodan grading and I was able to train fully within 6 months (ok, I was 19 and as fit as a fiddle at the time) as I went straight to physio, they recommended laying on a bed and using a tin of beans to start with (weight building up with time) and forming an L from my shoulder with my arm and rotating the 'weight' while I lay on the bed. Something I used on my own (I have a degree in sports and exercise science and several diplomas in sports and remedial therapy) was hydro therapy - swimming! Just standing in the pool and 'dragging' your arm in various directions will help, especially in 3D, try it then stretch and you will feel good benefits.

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Old 04-02-2007, 06:55 AM   #13
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Re: Shoulder Injury

Yikes! And here I was hoping that everything would be ok now. Thanks all for the training ideas. I should be starting phys therapy in a few weeks, so I should be back to normal soon.
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