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Old 03-11-2007, 07:29 PM   #1
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Freaky! Help with Techniques

Hey everyone! I'm a TKD guy I was given a project by my instructor to teach #1 Ude Osae #2 Tekubi Osae #3 Kote Osae to our Black Belt Club. I have had many years of practice in Aikido and JuJitsu and know many varriations but no names. I have been looking on the net but everyone has a different varriation and names and you can't really tell which name goes with which technique. Can anyone tell me where I can find a clip of each of the above and which ones they are? I know what Ude, Tekubi, Kote & Osae mean but would like the definate techniques. Thanks for any help

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Old 03-11-2007, 07:40 PM   #2
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Hi Bob,

Perhaps the Techniqueschart in the AikiWiki may help you in your techniques terminology search.

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Old 03-11-2007, 07:42 PM   #3
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the only thing that matters is what your instructor thought they meant when he gave you the assignment. So perhaps ask him?

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Old 03-11-2007, 09:49 PM   #4
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the only thing that matters is what your instructor thought they meant when he gave you the assignment. So perhaps ask him?
Thanks Michael, I know what he meant. He knows I have some experience and he sent me out to investigate and see if I can return with the results. And that's what I'm doing. Sort of a homework assignment.

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Old 03-11-2007, 09:50 PM   #5
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Hi Bob,

Perhaps the Techniqueschart in the AikiWiki may help you in your techniques terminology search.

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Thank you so much Jun I will check it out!

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Old 03-11-2007, 10:21 PM   #6
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I'm not sure I understand? Either you know the techniques he's specifically referring to so there's no problem. Or he himself doesn't know much about the techniques he's asked you to research.

I hope it'sthe latter because that would be a pretty good school with a good instructor (not that the former wouldn't be either, but I really like the idea of an instructor asking senior students to bring something new back into the system that they themselves don't necessarily know).

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Old 03-11-2007, 11:34 PM   #7
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I'm not sure I understand? Either you know the techniques he's specifically referring to so there's no problem. Or he himself doesn't know much about the techniques he's asked you to research.

I hope it'sthe latter because that would be a pretty good school with a good instructor (not that the former wouldn't be either, but I really like the idea of an instructor asking senior students to bring something new back into the system that they themselves don't necessarily know).
Hey Michael,

He is a good instuctor and open to other styles. Like I said I do have some experience in Ju Jitsu and Aikido much less on the Aikido side. We have a Black Belt Club class where we like to expose students to something different than TKD for fun and education. Now back to me I do know many locks and flows as I have some experience in Japanese Shooto as well as the Ju Jitsu and Aikdo and some Filipino joint techniques as well, the problem is that in most the arts I have mentioned they are given a # in the flow instead of the name. Anyway, my instructor asked me to do the class the only thing is that he did ask for these particular locks and pins as my terminology is not very good I did ask him where he got them from he said that he had seen them somewhere and jotted them down and he found them in his notes. Now I'm sure that I know the locks but matching them up with the proper term is important to me as I would like to instruct the proper technique along with the term rather than a # to the students.

Thanks for the thoughts

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Old 03-12-2007, 04:18 PM   #8
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sounds like a great club. What you may find is that there is no right answer on some of this stuff. As you may have noticed in the aikiwiki - depending on style the same name can be used for different things. I remember having an argument (ok, discussion) with a co instructor over which was juji nage vs juji garame vs sumi otoshi. And we were both right. In the end in that case it was simple enough - go with the terms as used by our sensei. In your case there may be some double up.

I am not particularly familiar with the terms you've used so can't be much more help than that but wish you the best of luck.

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Old 03-12-2007, 04:38 PM   #9
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udae osai is typically first technique or ikkyo in aikido. many different ways to do ikkyo depending on your perspective and how you want to demonstrate it, static, dynamic, resistant, non-resistant.

Tekubi Osae might be yonkyo or forth technique in aikido.

Kote Osae, might be Kote hineri Osae...or Sankyo or third technique in aikido. or it could be Kote mawashi, or Nikkyo or second technique in aikido.

Japanese terms can be difficult to interpret sometimes unless you know exactly the perspective in which them mean them in.

I can tell you that if you are looking for pins, the four mentioned above are good ones to start with. Should be plenty of information out there on them. Good luck.

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Old 03-12-2007, 06:29 PM   #10
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Re: Help with Techniques

And then you open a book, like Aikido and the Dynamic Sphere where they're all numbered, and your head explodes...
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Old 03-12-2007, 06:38 PM   #11
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And then you open a book, like Aikido and the Dynamic Sphere where they're all numbered, and your head explodes...
Almost like opening the Baseline skillset thread.

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Old 03-13-2007, 07:37 AM   #12
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And then you open a book, like Aikido and the Dynamic Sphere where they're all numbered, and your head explodes...
I loved that book, I read it in 3 days! I didn't find the use of numbers so difficult. They linked to each attack a number instead of calling it with the Japanese name. I guess it is a smart idea to avoid messing up people who just bought the book to have a better idea about Aikido and never stepped in an Aikido dojo before.
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I loved that book, I read it in 3 days! I didn't find the use of numbers so difficult. They linked to each attack a number instead of calling it with the Japanese name. I guess it is a smart idea to avoid messing up people who just bought the book to have a better idea about Aikido and never stepped in an Aikido dojo before.
But of all the dojos I have stepped into, I never found one using that numbering system. That is why I mean it's confusing. Any idiot can count to a hundred, but without a frame of reference beyond the book, it's not very useful.
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Old 03-13-2007, 04:06 PM   #14
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But of all the dojos I have stepped into, I never found one using that numbering system. That is why I mean it's confusing. Any idiot can count to a hundred, but without a frame of reference beyond the book, it's not very useful.
Maybe someone can add a "translation" page of the numbers to the actual attack/technique names into the AikiWiki?

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Old 03-13-2007, 04:39 PM   #15
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Good idea, Jun. But to really do it right, there would have to be many columns in that chart for each technique, such as ones headed "Complete Japanese Description", "Condensed Japanese Name", "Plain English Name", "'Sphere' Number", "DRAJ Equivalent", "Alternative Naming", and so on...

Quite a job... Might make a good yudansha research project for someone.
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