Welcome to AikiWeb Aikido Information
AikiWeb: The Source for Aikido Information
AikiWeb's principal purpose is to serve the Internet community as a repository and dissemination point for aikido information.

Sections
home
aikido articles
columns

Discussions
forums
aikiblogs

Databases
dojo search
seminars
image gallery
supplies
links directory

Reviews
book reviews
video reviews
dvd reviews
equip. reviews

News
submit
archive

Miscellaneous
newsletter
rss feeds
polls
about

Follow us on



Home > AikiWeb Aikido Forums
Go Back   AikiWeb Aikido Forums > Techniques

Hello and thank you for visiting AikiWeb, the world's most active online Aikido community! This site is home to over 22,000 aikido practitioners from around the world and covers a wide range of aikido topics including techniques, philosophy, history, humor, beginner issues, the marketplace, and more.

If you wish to join in the discussions or use the other advanced features available, you will need to register first. Registration is absolutely free and takes only a few minutes to complete so sign up today!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 02-02-2007, 10:05 PM   #1
Mike Hamer
 
Mike Hamer's Avatar
Dojo: Shinki Rengo, Mt. Pleasant MI
Location: Alma, MI
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 244
United_States
Offline
Irimi Nage Omote, turning the hand over

Im talking about after you've taken uke's center and you bring your arm over him making him fall. My Sensei teaches us to turn the hand over, thumb down, as you do this. I asked if there was a specific reason for this and he said it has to do with making the technique flow smoothly, but didnt really go into much detail. Does anyone else do this also? We were practicing from gyako(sp?) hamni stance with a katata katata tori handgrip.

To speak ill of anything is against the nature of Aikido
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-02-2007, 10:14 PM   #2
Lan Powers
Dojo: Aikido of Midland, Midland TX
Location: Midland Tx
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 659
Offline
Re: Irimi Nage Omote, turning the hand over

Puts the more powerful extensor muxcles into play. I have been told.
Lan

Play nice, practice hard, but remember, this is a MARTIAL art!
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2007, 01:43 PM   #3
Lyle Laizure
 
Lyle Laizure's Avatar
Dojo: Hinode Dojo LLC
Location: Omaha, Nebraska
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 560
United_States
Offline
Re: Irimi Nage Omote, turning the hand over

Ask your uke if he/she feels a difference.

Lyle Laizure
www.hinodedojo.com
Deru kugi wa uta reru
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2007, 03:21 PM   #4
Janet Rosen
  AikiWeb Forums Contributing Member
 
Janet Rosen's Avatar
Location: Left Coast
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 3,940
Offline
Re: Irimi Nage Omote, turning the hand over

its the shape of extension.
makes not a whit of difference whether you/your teacher expresses this as extending ki or as physiology (engaging the extensor muscles) or a metaphor (picture a ... <insert image here>) the effect will be the same.
if you have the hand turned the other way, you are not extending in a wave, you are hitting or pushing into your partner. inow, that may be very martially effective <wicked grin> but it is not what the technique is about as usually taught in aikido.

Janet Rosen
http://www.zanshinart.com
"peace will enter when hate is gone"--percy mayfield
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2007, 04:30 PM   #5
aikidoc
Dojo: Aikido of Midland
Location: Midland Texas
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 1,652
United_States
Offline
Re: Irimi Nage Omote, turning the hand over

actually flexor muscles.
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2007, 08:00 PM   #6
David Humm
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 269
United Kingdom
Offline
Re: Irimi Nage Omote, turning the hand over

Quote:
Mikel Hamer wrote:
Im talking about after you've taken uke's center and you bring your arm over him making him fall. My Sensei teaches us to turn the hand over, thumb down, as you do this. I asked if there was a specific reason for this and he said it has to do with making the technique flow smoothly, but didnt really go into much detail. Does anyone else do this also? We were practicing from gyako(sp?) hamni stance with a katata katata tori handgrip.
The rotational movement which you describe with your hand is (or should be IMHO) an important part of many techniques seen in aikido.

The rotation is often referred to as "asagao" when the fingers of the hand are open and extended, if one were to make exactly the same action with both hands, you'd be (metaphorically) mimicking a flower of Japan known as "morning glory" which opens with a rotational or spiral motion.

The extension of the fingers of one's hands allows for dynamic tension in the forearms without rigidity, essentially creating the so called 'unbendable arm' one's arm has a natural curve even when straightened (unless you really stretch) this shape is very useful and indeed powerful when utilised in waza. Essentially multiple circles (or rotations) within circles of movement.

Regards
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2007, 09:47 PM   #7
Janet Rosen
  AikiWeb Forums Contributing Member
 
Janet Rosen's Avatar
Location: Left Coast
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 3,940
Offline
Re: Irimi Nage Omote, turning the hand over

Quote:
John Riggs wrote:
actually flexor muscles.
Interesting. The way I was taught to do it definitely uses primarily the triceps, which are extensors.
The way I later started doing it also makes use of principles of Pilates so that the lats are engaged before the triceps.
John, I'm curious to know what flexors you are engaging?

Janet Rosen
http://www.zanshinart.com
"peace will enter when hate is gone"--percy mayfield
  Reply With Quote
Old 02-12-2007, 01:57 AM   #8
Mike Hamer
 
Mike Hamer's Avatar
Dojo: Shinki Rengo, Mt. Pleasant MI
Location: Alma, MI
Join Date: Jun 2006
Posts: 244
United_States
Offline
Re: Irimi Nage Omote, turning the hand over

Thanks everybody for the advice.

To speak ill of anything is against the nature of Aikido
  Reply With Quote

Please visit our sponsor:

AikiWeb Sponsored Links - Place your Aikido link here for only $10!



Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hips, 3000 Techniques & 16 Variations Erick Mead Training 5 07-12-2006 10:23 AM
The Nage/Uke Dynamic - Guidelines senshincenter General 47 02-20-2006 05:20 PM
committed attack/sensitive ukemi paradox Janet Rosen Training 30 10-13-2005 07:18 PM
Aikido With A Dog theblakeman Humor 38 09-23-2005 04:35 AM
Randori Seminar with George Ledyard Sensei aikibaka131 Seminars 11 10-24-2003 12:30 AM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 04:08 AM.



vBulletin Copyright © 2000-2014 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited
----------
Copyright 1997-2014 AikiWeb and its Authors, All Rights Reserved.
----------
For questions and comments about this website:
Send E-mail
plainlaid-picaresque outchasing-protistan explicantia-altarage seaford-stellionate