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Old 01-17-2007, 02:25 PM   #26
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Re: Ask Segal a question

That was very nice reading.

Thanks for the interview.

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Old 01-17-2007, 02:36 PM   #27
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Why, Mr. Seagal have you let yourself become so morbidly obese over the years?
Morbidly obese? Hardly. He's gotten a little bit tubby, but there are any number of well known Japanese shihan who outdo him by far, and their weight never seems to get commented upon...

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Old 01-17-2007, 03:45 PM   #28
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I just find it interesting that his own senior students from his old dojo in CA did the research to find out that eating along the lines of a macrobiotic diet gave one more energy and opened up the lines of KI in the body.

And then you have Steven Seagal eating steak and eggs for breakfast.
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Old 01-17-2007, 04:20 PM   #29
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I just find it interesting that his own senior students from his old dojo in CA did the research to find out that eating along the lines of a macrobiotic diet gave one more energy and opened up the lines of KI in the body.

And then you have Steven Seagal eating steak and eggs for breakfast.
Eating steak and eggs for breakfast (which I don't particularly see as a problem anyway) is a long way from being "morbidly obese".

And most of Morihei Ueshiba's students smoked like chimneys - and enjoyed steak.

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Old 01-17-2007, 06:19 PM   #30
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I suspect that a good number of them tossed back plenty of sake and other libations on a regular basis, too.

But Seagal is always on the spot because he is a celebrity and a public personality, being a movie star. That will always leave a person vulnerable to scrutiny and criticism of a volume and level that less visible people don't have to face.

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Old 01-17-2007, 09:14 PM   #31
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Seagal is a piece of garbage. He is not the wonderful icon you worship. In person he is very arrogant and a dick head. He is a liar, a cheater, a wife beater, and a criminal.

And by the way it should be Segal but he changed his name because of shame of his jewish heritage. Nutcase.
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Old 01-17-2007, 10:05 PM   #32
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Seagal is a piece of garbage. He is not the wonderful icon you worship. In person he is very arrogant and a dick head. He is a liar, a cheater, a wife beater, and a criminal.

And by the way it should be Segal but he changed his name because of shame of his jewish heritage. Nutcase.
While I don't particularly like Seagal (his acting is appalling and he certainly gives an arrogant air from clips I've seen) I'd like to know if you've had a personal experience or are just relating what you've heard. I have heard/read he had/has (I;m not sure which) connections to the mafia that helped him start his acting career, or something like that.
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Old 01-17-2007, 10:23 PM   #33
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Seagal is a piece of garbage. He is not the wonderful icon you worship. In person he is very arrogant and a dick head. He is a liar, a cheater, a wife beater, and a criminal.

And by the way it should be Segal but he changed his name because of shame of his jewish heritage. Nutcase.
How did you get from "he's not morbidly obese" to "I worship him"?

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Old 01-18-2007, 02:29 AM   #34
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Gregory, for what it is worth. I don't appreciate your language or comments. There is a better and more constructive way to say things.

There are better ways to say you don't care for someone, or their actions. I refer you to the thread entitled respect.

It is about the only golden rule we have here on aikiweb, and one worth following. Thanks.
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Old 01-18-2007, 07:10 AM   #35
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Seagal is a piece of garbage. He is not the wonderful icon you worship. In person he is very arrogant and a dick head. He is a liar, a cheater, a wife beater, and a criminal.
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I'd like to know if you've had a personal experience or are just relating what you've heard.
I'd like to hear whether you've had personal experience with this too or were you just repeating what you've heard online.

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Old 01-18-2007, 07:19 AM   #36
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Yes, this is from personal experience. The reason that it is relevant on this forum is because
in my opinion he is bad for the art. I invite everyone on this forum to seek the truth. The art of
Aikido is about love and respect, two things that Steve continually has not represented
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Old 01-18-2007, 10:10 AM   #37
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I have an idea. Why don't you do the following:

1) post a clip of the brilliant aikido that you perform, so that we can give your opinion the proper respect it so richly deserves.

2) post at least 20 character references from your instructors, friends and family, so that we can see how your perfect life is an example to us.

3) Go find him, and tell him in person what you think.

4) Failing that...cut us and what's his name some slack. We (I and Chris, at least) don't worship him, he isn't my teacher, so I don't have any reason to defend him in particular, and your behavior is appalling...does your instructor support your behavior? Why don't we invite him on to see what he thinks? Oh, I see on your profile it says "dojo: none". Hmmm...

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Old 01-18-2007, 10:18 AM   #38
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Yes, this is from personal experience. The reason that it is relevant on this forum is because
in my opinion he is bad for the art. I invite everyone on this forum to seek the truth. The art of
Aikido is about love and respect, two things that Steve continually has not represented

i would say he has bought a lot of people into the art who then stick around for different reasons that cant be all bad can it, cant comment on the other stuff you listed as i dont know him other than what you see in the press which doesnt mean anything at the end of the day.
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Old 01-18-2007, 10:24 AM   #39
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I'm a little biased on the subject.
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In person he is very arrogant and a dick head. He is a liar, a cheater, a wife beater, and a criminal.
My ex says the exact same about me, actually worse. Infact I have to go out of my to prove it wrong because she tells everyone she meets this crap and more often than not they unfortinuately believe it.

Again I'd be inetersted in how you can personally vouch for (or give reference to) him being a criminal, cheating and physically abusing his wife. Without him here to defend himself I don't think their very fair accusations.

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Old 01-18-2007, 10:34 AM   #40
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Gregory would probably enjoy this video, and its two sequels...

http://www.atomfilms.com/film/seagal...channel_celebs

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Old 01-18-2007, 10:44 AM   #41
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Once, during a discussion about martial arts movies after class, I happened to mention that I thought the early Steven Seagal movies were cool. My fellow students reacted like I just said that I admired Adolf Hitlers early work! One guy even said half-jokingly "dont even mention that name in this dojo!" I dont get it. What terrible crime did this guy commit to be so disliked? He has a big ego? wow! What movie star doesnt?
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Old 01-18-2007, 12:22 PM   #42
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Once, during a discussion about martial arts movies after class, I happened to mention that I thought the early Steven Seagal movies were cool. My fellow students reacted like I just said that I admired Adolf Hitlers early work! ...
I suppose Steven Seagal is the public farce, sorry face, of aikido; and that is why people fear to acknowledge any quality in him. I hate the films; he's a bad actor and the techniques are either stupidly sped-up, slowed down or inappropriately applied. I think, unfortunately, proper aikido is not a martial art which looks good on film because bone-rending and snapping, massive kicks and super-fast complicated moves seem much more impressive. To me good aikido is very simple and often quite difficult to see what actually happened. Thus, what appeals to viewers will generally not appeal to a critical martial artist. Bruce Lee himself also said that most of the techniques he did on film he would never do in practise 'cos they were too flowery.

As far as his technique goes, I used to be very critical based on the film and some dojo footage, but I have seen some early footage with which I was very impressed with. I certainly believe I could learn something from him. Saying this though, I believe him to be a ruthless self-promotor and to make money in aikido from his fame rather than his ability. Indeed, one of his previous students contacted me directly to see if we wanted him (his previous student that is) to teach us; he wanted an obscene amount of money and his own personal bathroom (so as not to mix with the plebs). Basically, I can train with someone more renowned at aikido for less money, and with less ego; so why bother? Also, no-one I know who trained with Ueshiba remembers Steven Seagal. I don't believe he trained under Ueshiba, even though he may have seen him during training. (thus I believe he is bending the truth a little at the start of Nico - however, maybe I'd do the same )

Personally, I think there could be a better public face of aikido (someone a bit brighter with a real ethical objective and a bit more charismatic) - but they're all too busy training or eating lentils. Maybe its the film editors to blame as well.

Ian

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Old 01-18-2007, 12:36 PM   #43
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One question...what does any of this have to do with OUR training (for those of us who train).

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Old 01-18-2007, 12:53 PM   #44
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P.S. couple of funny films

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/26555/...gal_sprite_ad/

http://www.atomfilms.com/film/seagal_deadly_time.jsp

(old dojo footage)
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/94751/...th_dan_aikido/

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Old 01-18-2007, 02:08 PM   #45
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One question...what does any of this have to do with OUR training (for those of us who train).

Best,
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Confronting our biases & overcoming them is part of our training.
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Old 01-18-2007, 02:33 PM   #46
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Good answer!

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Old 01-18-2007, 04:20 PM   #47
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[quote=Ian Dodkins]P.S. couple of funny films


I beat you to the atomfilms link, Ian! There are three "Steven Seagal Show" cartoons in all.
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Old 01-19-2007, 08:58 AM   #48
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Yes, this is from personal experience. The reason that it is relevant on this forum is because
in my opinion he is bad for the art. I invite everyone on this forum to seek the truth. The art of
Aikido is about love and respect, two things that Steve continually has not represented

Gregory,
You wouldn't happen to be from the Corpus Christi or Gregory - Portland area, would you? I know people from that area who have had a lot of exposure to Seagal Sensei including my first instructor.
Jorge

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Old 01-19-2007, 10:34 PM   #49
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Has anyone seen the article in Aikido Journal about how Seagal has been named a tulku?
http://www.shambhalasun.com/index.ph...027&Itemid=244
I don't really get it. He seems like he is trying to pretend to be modest. It sounds really fake to me. From what I've heard (not much) he's sort of cocky. How could someone so into himself be a Lama reincarnate? IDK

Oh and has anyone heard his CD????? I mean wtf? It Sucks!!!!!! Like he's trying to sing blues and it's just bad.
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Old 01-20-2007, 07:01 AM   #50
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Rosemary whats a tulku??

With regards to his blues singing, to each their own I guess. I heard a few of his songs, they didn't sound bad at all to me. Of course blues isn't my thing so I couldn't tell good blues from bad blues.

B.B. King on the other hand complimented Seagal on his blue's singing didn't he?
Thats a pretty good pat on the back IMO.

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