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Old 12-15-2006, 07:39 PM   #26
rob_liberti
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Re: Everyone been training for 30+ years?

The question was why so many posters weren't posting. Sorry, Jun, but it was "personal".

Mike,
It's been so long. Love and kisses right back at you.
I still feel that Saotome and Gleason sensei have wonderful kokyu. Saotome sensei was a shihan before I was born,so I may not catch him anytime soon. Gleason sensei practices using his sword daily. I can't get away with that in my office right now but I can do exercises Dan showed me. I think his way may be faster. I bought your tapes too you know. I never said I wasn't looking for better/other ways. I just didn't think your way by tape worked too well for me. Now I have access indirectly to Wang Hai Jun and directly to Dan - both of whom are remarkably helpful without having to be mean. I hope that is active and assertive enough. I won't even attempt to get a last word. I may not bother to check this board for another 18 months. I'm much younger than you, I can simply wait.
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Old 12-16-2006, 08:04 AM   #27
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Re: Everyone been training for 30+ years?

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I still feel that Saotome and Gleason sensei have wonderful kokyu. Saotome sensei was a shihan before I was born,so I may not catch him anytime soon. Gleason sensei practices using his sword daily.
Maybe the very first thing you should do, before you start throwing the word "kokyu" around, is to decide exactly what "kokyu" is. Try a definition.

I asked a pretty serious question, Rob, and it's still there. Logically, if you didn't know the kokyu/jin things that Dan showed you, then you cannot be in a position to assert who has kokyu because you're unfamiliar with it. So your remark, which is an assertion you also made some time ago, that Gleason and Saotome have "wonderful kokyu" is untenable, logically. And I'm not going to be the only one spotting that logical gap, Rob. If no one is supposed to mention it, fine, but that doesn't make it go away.

But let's say that in reality, one or both of those men has "wonderful kokyu"... why didn't they teach you even the basics so that you could recognize basic performances when you see them done by Dan? Maybe you mean something else and that's why I'm asking you a question *in relation to assertions you made.*
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Now I have access indirectly to Wang Hai Jun and directly to Dan - both of whom are remarkably helpful without having to be mean.
I doubt you're going to come in as an outsider and get more help than Wang Hai Jun's own students do, Rob. I'll say the same thing that I said to Dan.... there are a lot of people that like and respect Wang Hai Jun and they don't like seeing his name "dropped" as some casual, helpful guy (read "familiarly"). It would be about the same as me dropping Saotome's name as someone I was getting useful information from... you might see the point. Insofar as anyone being "mean"...
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I may not bother to check this board for another 18 months. I'm much younger than you, I can simply wait.
Class act, Rob.

Mike
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Old 12-16-2006, 06:14 PM   #28
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Been training in martial arts for about 24 years, but only in Aikido for about 6 months. However, I've also noticed that there are many "experts" here on Aikiweb.
Sorry, but this begs for the best definifiton i have heard for an expert.
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less until they know absolutely everything about absolutely nothing.
lol
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Old 12-16-2006, 07:55 PM   #29
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Re: Everyone been training for 30+ years?

Probably does'nt count for much on an Aiki forum,but I began training in Karate in 1958 and have been involved in various MA, Aikido and Aikijitsu included ever since...
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Old 12-17-2006, 10:29 AM   #30
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Niadh Feathers wrote:
Sorry, but this begs for the best definifiton i have heard for an expert.
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less until they know absolutely everything about absolutely nothing.
lol
Niadh
Graham,
Sorry that quote should have started with the "many experts here part
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Old 12-18-2006, 10:25 AM   #31
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Re: Everyone been training for 30+ years?

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Niadh Feathers wrote:
Sorry, but this begs for the best definifiton i have heard for an expert.
An expert is someone who knows more and more about less and less until they know absolutely everything about absolutely nothing.
lol
Niadh
I love this definition Niadh. Makes me want to get it printed on little cards and pass them out when someone names themselves an expert. I wonder how well that would go over?

So I was reflecting on this and thinking there are moments that it appears an aikidoka can appear to be an expert. Say as in th erole of the teacher for the class or if they are of higher rank than fellow students. It could be very tempting to let this illusion fly too and I recall when I received my brown belt I had a phase of being "too big for my britches" in this way.

Thankfully Within our particular aikido community I was reminded by both word and deed of other higher ranks and our founder that EVERYONE has something to teach and something to learn. It is a disservice to all, including the self to let the ego get out of control and taint the moment of connection between aikidoka, no matter their place on the path of training or whether they get to wear fancy pants.

Now as a nidan and an instructor of my own branch dojo, I am really grateful for all the students, especially the new student, as I know I'm going to learn so much. -Kim
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