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Old 10-30-2006, 10:09 AM   #1
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Does anybody out there really uderstand aikido? Please, answer me!
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Old 10-30-2006, 10:27 AM   #2
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Two people did. But one's dead and the other's forgotten....
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Old 10-30-2006, 10:45 AM   #3
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I understand Aikido, sure thing. Send me a cheque for $900 along with with a jewel-encrusted bokken and I garantee you'll understand it too.

But seriously, define "understand".

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Old 10-30-2006, 12:18 PM   #4
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I mean if somebody ask you what is aikido, what you will say?
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Old 10-30-2006, 01:24 PM   #5
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I understand Aikido, sure thing. Send me a cheque for $900 along with with a jewel-encrusted bokken and I garantee you'll understand it too.

But seriously, define "understand".
"under-standan" -- O.E. "standan" = "to stand"; "under" -- PIE (*nter = "among, between" (cogn. -- L. - "inter-"))

"To stand amidst," i.e. -- at the center.

Thus, to know directly, personally, not by being told about it...

As the saying goes:

Those who know, do not say; those who say, do not know.

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Old 10-30-2006, 02:45 PM   #6
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I mean if somebody ask you what is aikido, what you will say?
What is Aikido?

A pure budo comes with the unification of technique, body and heart. The budo, which will manifest itself, does not depend upon the technique, but rather upon the heart of the practitioner.
The aim of Aikido is a kindness of heart expressed through this spirit of budo.
Here are some thoughts on the spirit of Aikido.

Aiki is love.
Budo is the path of the warrior. Combined with the spirit of heaven and earth in your heart, you can fulfill your life's destiny with unconditional love for everything.
Aiki seeks to skillfully strike down the ego and inherent insincerity in battling an enemy. Aiki is the path of forgiveness and enlightenment. The martial techniques provide discipline for the journey of uniting the spirit and the body through channeling the laws of heaven.

The goal of Aikido training is not perfection of a step or skill, but rather improving one's character according to the rules of nature. One becomes "resilient" inside yet this strength is expressed softly. Movements found in nature are efficient, rational, and soft,while the center is immovable, firm, and stable. This principal of a firm center is universally consistent -- and must be true for each person. The culmination of Aikido is expressed by aligning one's center with the center expressed throughout nature.

At the heart of Aikido is the Eastern concept of Ki --the universal creative principle. Aikido seeks to unite this universal Ki with the Ki (life force or breath) found within each person. Literally, Aikido translates as "the way of harmony with Ki".

From the website of the Aikikai Foundation
http://www.aikikai.or.jp/eng/index.htm

"It is the philosophy that gives meaning to the method of training."
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Old 10-30-2006, 02:57 PM   #7
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Erm, thanks for that Erick.
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Old 10-30-2006, 03:01 PM   #8
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I know what it is, I have knowen for a long time. I am still working on understanding it.

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Old 10-30-2006, 03:14 PM   #9
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Erm, thanks for that Erick.
You asked.

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Old 10-30-2006, 03:17 PM   #10
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I mean if somebody ask you what is aikido, what you will say?
"Please, hit me?"

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Old 10-30-2006, 03:55 PM   #11
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No, no, no...the standard request is "Please Grab My Wrist" (TM)...

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Old 10-30-2006, 06:28 PM   #12
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Re: what is aikido

When somebody asks me, I usually tell them "I'll tell you, but then I'll have to blend with you...". After that, they usually withdraw the question.
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Old 10-30-2006, 07:02 PM   #13
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"what is aikido?" Wonderful question! Living question! It changes with your practice!

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Old 10-30-2006, 09:39 PM   #14
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What is Aikido?

....

At the heart of Aikido is the Eastern concept of Ki --the universal creative principle. Aikido seeks to unite this universal Ki with the Ki (life force or breath) found within each person. Literally, Aikido translates as "the way of harmony with Ki".

From the website of the Aikikai Foundation
http://www.aikikai.or.jp/eng/index.htm
If that's from Aikikai then God help us. How the hell are you gonna learn that?

For me, Aikido is the Way of Aiki. Not ki, not harmony, not love, not peace, nope, none of that. I now think the Ai and the Ki of Aikido are inseparable, as one word, just as it is 'one action'.

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Old 10-31-2006, 02:32 AM   #15
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No, no, no...the standard request is "Please Grab My Wrist" (TM)...

Best,
R
Ha ha ha

I'll remember that. What is aikido? Here... GRAB MY WRIST (TM). Good one Ron.

Boon.

SHOMEN-ATE (TM), the solution to 90% of aikido and life's problems.
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Old 10-31-2006, 05:26 AM   #16
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An understanding that is beyond understanding. A experiential knowledge that is beyond your mind and thinking processes

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Old 10-31-2006, 06:47 AM   #17
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You could say: 'Aikido is an intangible concept which I aspire to understand'. or maybe 'Aikido is the art of attempting to achieve balance between energies which are in constant flux'.
or some other esoteric answer.
But I like to think Aikido is a 'way' to help me be the best person I can be. Or Just 'thats life'.
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Old 10-31-2006, 07:06 AM   #18
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So many different answers, interesting. Proceed with opinion, please.
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Old 10-31-2006, 07:11 AM   #19
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Does anybody out there really uderstand aikido? Please, answer me!


http://www.aikidoonline.com/Features/WhatisAikido.htm

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Old 10-31-2006, 07:13 AM   #20
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The question is very open ended. Maybe it would be better asked is what is the effect of Aikido?..


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Old 10-31-2006, 09:53 AM   #21
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For me, Aikido is the Way of Aiki. Not ki, not harmony, not love, not peace, nope, none of that.
Well said. I think the basics of Aiki should be understood first before you start calling it things like "love" and "harmony". (Which it certainly can be)

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Old 10-31-2006, 12:30 PM   #22
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Udderstand? I'm not sure how to udderstand aikido - its sounds a difficult technique. I think I would have had to have given birth to a child first at least.
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Old 11-01-2006, 08:16 AM   #23
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Does anybody out there really uderstand aikido? Please, answer me!
Hello,

From the way you put the question, probably no one.

However, in your next post you asked what someone would say if they were asked what is aikido. For me this is easy: I have told many of my Japanese mudansha students that aikido is a budo created by Morihei Ueshiba, and which is now recognized by the Japanese government and sports organizations as a modern budo. All have accepted this explanation and have simply got on with training. The yudansha students know all of this already and simply come to train, each for his/her own reasons, which I would not presume to question.

So do we 'really' understand aikido? I have no idea. I would never presume to state that I do, even though I have been training for many years. I think that the only way you could check whether I 'really' understand aikido is to come and train with me in my own dojo. Or you could go to other dojo and train with the shihan there.

Either way, the question will not be resolved by a discussion on the Internet. You must answer the question for yourself, in your own way.

By the way, have you discussed this question with your aikido teacher?

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Old 11-01-2006, 10:59 AM   #24
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If that's from Aikikai then God help us. How the hell are you gonna learn that?

For me, Aikido is the Way of Aiki. Not ki, not harmony, not love, not peace, nope, none of that. I now think the Ai and the Ki of Aikido are inseparable, as one word, just as it is 'one action'.
well that is very Daito Ryu party line, you will make the Daito Ryu crowd happy.

yet....

Quote:
"All Aiki techniques are a function of ki."
- Morihei Ueshiba
http://www.aikidoonline.com/Features/WhatisAikido.htm


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We say that aikido is the way to a meeting with ki, but what is ki? Until you understand it, you cannot begin to study aikido.
- Koichi Tohei
This is Aikido, 1968

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Old 11-01-2006, 12:01 PM   #25
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Unfortunately I suspect it's pretty hard to know "what Ueshiba meant" without knowing Japanese -- if you've ever looked at translations of non-concrete concepts, poetry, theology, political ideas, etc even between two fairly similar languages with a lot of common cultural background... it can be extremely hard to pinpoint things without really really knowing both languages. A translator's job is difficult and sometimes quite subjective. Even the best translation is rarely a substitute for the original.

Even then, I've always heard that even his own students (who were Japanese and worked with him one on one for years) found it hard to know what he was trying to say a lot of the time.

Which is part of the reason why so far I don't find it that helpful or even particularly interesting to wonder what he meant or intended or thought... although if someone else does find it rewarding to go do historical reasearch, why not?

For me at this point it's much more _physically_ fascinating than anything else, but to each his own .
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