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Old 10-26-2006, 03:16 PM   #26
Michael Hackett
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Re: Yankyo reeeeeeally hurts    :-\(

I am one of the unfortunate ones who feels yonkyo instantly and I have a relatively high pain threshold apparently because I have my dental work done without anethesia. The cut down and pin are effective, even without the pain. One of my dojo mates was working up for his 4th kyu test and I agreed to work with him before and after classes to take falls for him with the understanding that he only got five yonkyo pins on each side per night. This went on for about a month and when the test came, Sensei did not ask for yonkyo at all and told me later that he knew my partner could do it as he had been watching it every night. Ouch!

What does seem to help with the residual pain and bruising is to massage the area vigorously along the bone line for a few seconds after each application.

Michael
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Old 10-28-2006, 07:26 PM   #27
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Re: Yankyo reeeeeeally hurts    :-\(

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Mary Turner wrote:
I learned before my 4th kyu test, I only practiced a couple times because none of the higher belts wanted to practice it!
4th Kyu is blue belt from my class, knowing Aikido only does white & black.
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Old 10-29-2006, 11:25 AM   #28
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Re: Yankyo reeeeeeally hurts    :-\(

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why am i the 1st person to simple say DURH ?

Hi Daniel,
What does DURH mean?


C u around,
Joyce
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Old 11-06-2006, 09:15 AM   #29
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Freaky! Re: Yankyo reeeeeeally hurts :-\(

Mutant and Proud! the dan's i generally train with have come up with some great ways to make me tap though, like grinding the bones of my forearm together but so long as you have elbow control uke goes down, one particular dan i know used me as an example because i'm a mutant, put me to the mat, then looped an arm around my neck and proceeded to strangle me till i tapped
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Old 11-06-2006, 10:23 AM   #30
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Re: Yankyo reeeeeeally hurts    :-\(

Unfortunately, i am no mutant! Yonkyo hurts, usually more so if it is done incorrectly.....

When training (being uke) and yonkyo is applied i have become very aware that a poorly applied yonkyo can be very sore! More like the feeling of an almighty nip inside my fore arm and of course, a big old bruise follows!

I've been informed and also experienced that a correct yonkyo will not leave a bruise. Tis just a shame that we had to wait till the day after to see if any bruises came up to point out the mistakes!!

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jo.
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Old 11-15-2006, 08:58 AM   #31
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Re: Yankyo reeeeeeally hurts    :-\(

When I come home after a good session of yonkyo practice I have black and blue forearms, I enjoy hard practice like that. But also if you practice with women and children you need to tone it down.
Maybe you are in the wrong class, maybe you need to tell Sensei to tone down some peers....every situation is different. In general I myself tone it for my peers,hard and soft, unfortunatly not all Aikido players do it like that.

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Old 11-20-2006, 05:11 AM   #32
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Re: Yankyo reeeeeeally hurts :-\(

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Mutant and Proud! the dan's i generally train with have come up with some great ways to make me tap though, like grinding the bones of my forearm together but so long as you have elbow control uke goes down, one particular dan i know used me as an example because i'm a mutant, put me to the mat, then looped an arm around my neck and proceeded to strangle me till i tapped
Tapping is for wimps.
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Old 11-28-2006, 07:52 PM   #33
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Re: Yankyo reeeeeeally hurts :-\(

I have no idea if I am a mutant or not. It takes ALOT for me to feel pain or pressure. Sensei says it might be that I'm just extra flexible with a high tolerance for pain because I been doing it for X amount of years.
My nickname in dojo though is Gumby whenever any pins come up. The only one that really gets me is Nikyo, but that's just cuz' I know I'll get broken again if I don't tap in time.
I may be a tap-out wimp, but I'd rather train than spend the next month in cast on the sidelines!!

Shinma Hukumetsu
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Old 12-12-2006, 08:35 AM   #34
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Re: Yankyo reeeeeeally hurts    :-\(

I'll echo a few of the other posters here. Yonkyo can certainly hurt. One sensei in my past tells of yonkyo races across the mat - 2 nage, 1 uke, and it's a bit like a wheelbarrow race. I've not seen or felt this, fortunately. Most sensei I've seen and felt use the pain portion of any of these techniques, including yonkyo, as "backup" and ensure that the positioning and movement of nage and the direction and shape of the 'cut' are what makes the technique happen. I've had my radial nerve bruised to blazes by someone who couldn't make me move with yonkyo, with me unable to properly use my hand for a few days afterward, and I've been bounced around like a (95 kg) noodle by someone who moved properly but caused no pain.
I _think_ that if you learn to reliably do the immobilization through good movement, and strengthen your grip and movement so that you can usually achieve the pain in an uke, you will be well off.
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Old 12-12-2006, 08:52 AM   #35
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Re: Yankyo reeeeeeally hurts    :-\(

You must be yoshinkan...
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One sensei in my past tells of yonkyo races across the mat - 2 nage, 1 uke, and it's a bit like a wheelbarrow race.
I've done that....
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Ron

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Old 12-14-2006, 06:21 PM   #36
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Re: Yankyo reeeeeeally hurts    :-\(

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Ron Tisdale wrote:
You must be yoshinkan...


I've done that....
Best,
Ron

Oh yeah, the gool 'ole "Iron Cross." Good training.
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Old 12-15-2006, 08:59 AM   #37
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Re: Yankyo reeeeeeally hurts    :-\(

Can you imagine having Mustard Sensei on one arm, and Parker Shihan on the other???

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Ron

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Old 12-17-2006, 10:06 PM   #38
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Re: Yankyo reeeeeeally hurts    :-\(

My sensei never seems to miss with his yankyo....and I've learned to go with whatever he sends my way. I tend to have to really apply some pressure to him, but once I hit the right spot, he lets me know immediately :0)
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Old 12-18-2006, 12:33 PM   #39
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Re: Yankyo reeeeeeally hurts :-\(

Quote:
Ron Tisdale wrote:
You must be yoshinkan...


I've done that....
Best,
Ron
I've watched a Yoshinkan practice once - does that count?
Aikikai seems to be the path I'm strolling along.
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