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Old 10-05-2006, 01:54 AM   #26
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Re: Aikido/BJJ combo??

Don,

After reading your post #15, I feel as though I am taking the same scenic route as you did.

I can understand what you are trying to say now more clearly, as compare to 1 year ago before I took up a more competition/sport based art, namely judo.

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Old 10-10-2006, 11:31 PM   #27
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Re: Aikido/BJJ combo??

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.... When I go to an occasional aikido class I find it is easy to pick up new techniques and work with the class. This is probably because I am learning the same types of body movement (although not explained the same way) in my judo and bjj training ......
Probably. I also believe that a big part of the first phase of MA training is how to learn how to make your body do specific things; most people stop working on that when they learn to walk, so trying to do something specific can be difficult. Once you pass through that phase, it's easy to "pick things up." Getting them perfect is another matter.
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Old 10-11-2006, 01:19 PM   #28
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Re: Aikido/BJJ combo??

I spend most of my time in my BJJ classes trying to teach students to align there bodies properly when doing technique. I wish they had the time and patience to use aikido methodlogy to learn these things!

However, when your primary goal is to gain a certain level of empty hand fighting effiiciency....you have to work both ends, the sacrifice is what I would call "proper body mechanicss/kinesiology". Conversely, when you spend all your time in a methodlogy like aikido you sacrifice the ability to fight effectively in the short term.

That is why I think they are very complimentary.

Someone that has studied aikido will adopt BJJ very quickly if they stick to it for a while as the principles are the same and you are rewarded in the long run for assimilating proper posture, mechanics, and kinesology.
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Old 10-11-2006, 03:32 PM   #29
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Re: Aikido/BJJ combo??

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Also for those who do approve of this combo, especially that guy if he reads this, what do you think the pros for it are?? How would aikido improve your BJJ and do you think the BJJ can help improve your aikido in anyway??
I know quite a few people both in Boulder and Seattle that do both. Bookman Sensei (Seattle) practices both, and has told me that he feels there is some connection between the two because of similar philosophies behind the technique and is trying to organically form his BJJ into Aikido (a whole other topic...what is Aikido?). Whether or not he's chasing a ghost, it's something to think about.

In any case, most fights do end up on the ground, so having some skill at ground fighting is a good idea if you're training is geared towards martial ability. But since you seem to be a beginner in both arts, I'd not worry about connecting the two, and focus on each separately. Over time, each will affect the other; your perspective will change, and your practice may become deeper, and maybe you'll perceive a connection between the two. But don't let one interfere with the other, that's the danger. Keep in mind Aikido was developed in an entirely different way than BJJ, and so is fundamentally different, and requires a different attitude while training, generally.

http://www.aikidojournal.com/media.php?media=radio

A link to a radio lecture with Stanley Pranin, Ikeda Sensei, Saotome Sensei, and Ushiro Sensei (Karate) on cross training. It's long, 104 minutes, but I feel is very good.
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Old 10-11-2006, 03:37 PM   #30
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Re: Aikido/BJJ combo??

I've been fortunate enough to attend a few sessions with a gentleman by the name of Gadi Shorr.

(Based in Watford, UK) He's a Yoshinkan 5th dan, a graduate of the (in)famous senshusei course and has a good deal of BJJ experience. In his formal classes he teaches straight down the line Yoshinkan, but in seminars switches seamlessly from aikido to BJJ and back again, and can explain BJJ techniques in very "aiki" terms.

To attend one of those sessions (which I can't recommend highly enough), you wouldn't think there was any difference between aikido and BJJ at all!

Sean
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Old 10-15-2006, 09:34 AM   #31
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Re: Aikido/BJJ combo??

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Sean Orchard wrote:
I've been fortunate enough to attend a few sessions with a gentleman by the name of Gadi Shorr.

(Based in Watford, UK) He's a Yoshinkan 5th dan, a graduate of the (in)famous senshusei course and has a good deal of BJJ experience. In his formal classes he teaches straight down the line Yoshinkan, but in seminars switches seamlessly from aikido to BJJ and back again, and can explain BJJ techniques in very "aiki" terms.

To attend one of those sessions (which I can't recommend highly enough), you wouldn't think there was any difference between aikido and BJJ at all!

Sean
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Haven't posted in a while but this caught my eye. If the instruction is high quality you will see very little diffence between aikido, bjj, or judo. I spent a week at a judo training camp in New York in August. There was some beautiful, flowing judo that resembled aikido in every way. I have also seen some film of the Gracies in action with bjj. I see no difference. I know for a fact that I would not survive 10 seconds with Royce Gracie if he wanted to kill me. a very powerfull, flowing, aiki-type art on the ground. More impressive than a lot of aikido that I have seen.
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