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Old 09-11-2006, 05:47 PM   #1
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Old 09-11-2006, 06:05 PM   #2
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Comment's please vs previous post

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Old 09-11-2006, 07:15 PM   #3
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I'd say somebody that has been practicing an art as long as Seigo Okamoto has, probably has pretty good technique. I would sure like to feel it. That's one of the funny things about aikido though. It looks alot different than it feels.
Here's another one.
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Old 09-11-2006, 07:18 PM   #4
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shoulda kept it in one thread.
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Old 09-11-2006, 08:32 PM   #5
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Shoulda, but alas didn't turn out that way.....
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Old 09-12-2006, 05:50 AM   #6
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That was very very interesting. Thank you for posting it!

I was going to say, "I wish I could do that" but on second thoughts... I'm just plain too lazy to do the work required, so what's the use wishing?

What's with the music though in all these clips? The one Mike Sigman just posted in the push hands thread, I realized half way through I'd stopped watching because I was hypnotized by the music...

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Old 09-12-2006, 07:07 AM   #7
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Looks like ukes diving for him. But doesnt all good aikido look a bit fake?

They're all screaming about the rock n roll, but I would say that it's getting old. - REFUSED.
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Old 09-12-2006, 07:13 AM   #8
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Okamoto looks like he has some definite jin skills, but other than a guess that they're "fairly good", I don't want to try to say anything definite because he used Dive Monkies for his uke's. I hate it when someone has overly-dramatic Dive Monkies as stoog...er, uke's because it obscures whatever real power nage has.

Incidentally, he used his jin to come up out of that pile-up near the end... that's a part of what Rob John is talking about as being usefull in BJJ.

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Old 09-12-2006, 07:14 AM   #9
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They're all screaming about the rock n roll, but I would say that it's getting old. - REFUSED.
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Old 09-12-2006, 07:26 AM   #10
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Dive Monkies
Did you just coin that phrase Mike?
I don't remember ever hearing it before when referring to uke.
"Dive Monkeys."
What will you think of next.
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Old 09-12-2006, 07:35 AM   #11
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We call it duffy diving.

They're all screaming about the rock n roll, but I would say that it's getting old. - REFUSED.
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Old 09-12-2006, 07:47 AM   #12
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Did you just coin that phrase Mike?
I don't remember ever hearing it before when referring to uke.
"Dive Monkeys."
What will you think of next.
I can't take credit, unfortunately. "Dive monkies" and "dive bunnies" are fairly old terms describing uke's who don't "take ukemi", but rather "illustrate ukemi as it happens in the theater arts".

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Old 09-12-2006, 09:31 AM   #13
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I can't take credit, unfortunately. "Dive monkies" and "dive bunnies" are fairly old terms describing uke's who don't "take ukemi", but rather "illustrate ukemi as it happens in the theater arts".

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Mike,
Would you be so kind as to provide a reference for the usage of the "fairly old terms" referring to aikido uke's as "dive monkies" or "dive bunnies?"
I googled the term and didn't get anything related to aikido.
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Old 09-12-2006, 10:00 AM   #14
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Would you be so kind as to provide a reference for
Sorry, Ricky, I haven't finished transcribing all the conversations I had with people in my life... I'm only up to age 14 and there's a lot left to go before I can post references to everyone I've ever heard, the things they said, etc. I'll email you when it gets posted to the web. And I mean that sincerely.

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Old 09-12-2006, 10:06 AM   #15
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I'll email you when it gets posted to the web. And I mean that sincerely.
Thanks Mike,
I'll be looking for it.
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Old 09-12-2006, 10:30 AM   #16
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Incidentally, he used his jin to come up out of that pile-up near the end...



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Old 09-12-2006, 10:35 AM   #17
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Sorry, Ricky, I haven't finished transcribing all the conversations I had with people in my life...
If they are terms used in aikido, one would expect to find them in many areas, not just personal communications.


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Old 09-12-2006, 11:02 AM   #18
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If they are terms used in aikido, one would expect to find them in many areas, not just personal communications.
Cite please.... where a "joke" is the same thing as a "term used in aikido". Why don't you publicly admit to stalking and harrassing threads I'm on, Justin, and tell us what your beef is. Jun has just closed two threads you interrupted with this bizarre stuff.... maybe you can make it 3 that Jun closes?

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Old 09-12-2006, 12:32 PM   #19
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I just almost fell off my chair laughing, we're really arguing sources for "dive monkeys"?!?

Love the phrase though, I definitively resemble that remark at times.

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Old 09-12-2006, 12:53 PM   #20
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I just almost fell off my chair laughing, we're really arguing sources for "dive monkeys"?!?
Yeah, sometimes I wonder if I'm on another planet. However, TBH, it's often interesting to watch the various psychologies/personalities of the people involved.
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Love the phrase though, I definitively resemble that remark at times.
I think there's a lot of similar comments about "dive bunnies", "mat bunnies", "mat monkies", etc., that I've heard in my life. Usually mentioned over a few beers and never meant with any real animus.

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Honestly Mike, I have never heard the phrase. Would you be kind enough to explain what a "dive monkey" is?
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Old 09-12-2006, 01:07 PM   #22
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Honestly Mike, I have never heard the phrase. Would you be kind enough to explain what a "dive monkey" is?
Watch some instructors who have overly-cooperative and overly-dramatic Uke's from their own schools... you'll understand what a "dive monkey" or a "dive bunny" or a "mat bunny" is.

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Watch some instructors who have overly-cooperative and overly-dramatic Uke's from their own schools... you'll understand what a "dive monkey" or a "dive bunny" or a "mat bunny" is.

Mike
"overly-cooperative?"
I don't know what that means really. Especially in aikido.
Oh, and quit winking at me. You're creeping me out!
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Old 09-12-2006, 02:22 PM   #24
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"overly-cooperative?"
I don't know what that means really. Especially in aikido.
Really? Think about all the comments about "steal this technique" or "figure it out for yourself", etc., etc. The person who is not a clinical-enough or analytical-enough practitioner to spot what's real and what's the result of cooperative behaviour in Aikido... what chance to they have to "figure it out for yourself"??? They're doomed. A real martial artist should be very, very analytical (among other things), in my opinion. I've had several Asian instructors say things like "Understand?" (after showing me something once) or "people either figure it out or they don't".

It's a complex topic, but generally I'd say you need to be able to spot Dive Monkies when you see 'em and not let that get confused with real and interesting technique.

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Old 09-12-2006, 06:21 PM   #25
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Dive Monkey's,litter the landscape of many MA's but seem to prefer Aikido...My friend and Sensei
Bernie Lau would put them thru HELL,and therefore was pronounced being an advocate of the "Dark
Side"....He luved it and has never repented!!!
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