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Old 08-25-2006, 06:51 AM   #1
PhilMyKi
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I have just been asked ... ...

are you a domestic violence victim by a random person on account of the wonderful bruises a la yonkyo on my forearms.

Just thought I'd share that

I should have responded with 'yes, please hold me random totty girl in the shopping centre.'

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Old 08-25-2006, 08:04 AM   #2
jxa127
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Re: I have just been asked ... ...

Philip,

That's funny! Was she cute?

Seriously, though, I've never gotten bruises from yonkyo. I have gotten them from atemi however. (ouch).

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Old 08-25-2006, 08:25 AM   #3
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Re: I have just been asked ... ...

i have had them from yonkyo mostly from fellow students trying to work it out on my arm and i am sure i have done the same
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Old 08-25-2006, 09:17 AM   #4
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Re: I have just been asked ... ...

I don't get any bruises from a yonkyo pin personally, I can also receive it pretty comfortably without tapping. Maybe because I'm not a Uke that just taps when the Tori begins the technique, by this I'm not saying anyone else is a rubbish Uke; please don't see it that way.
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Old 08-25-2006, 11:02 AM   #5
Brad Pruitt
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Re: I have just been asked ... ...

We have one guy in our dojo that gets some pretty good bruises from Yonkyo. He's also a bleeder.
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Old 08-25-2006, 01:43 PM   #6
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Re: I have just been asked ... ...

I'm yonkyo imune.

Both a gift and a curse.
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Old 08-25-2006, 01:46 PM   #7
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Re: I have just been asked ... ...

Quote:
Roman Kremianski wrote:
I'm yonkyo imune.

Both a gift and a curse.
I have a son like that.
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Old 08-25-2006, 01:50 PM   #8
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Re: I have just been asked ... ...

I am very sensitive to yonkkyo, and if the person applying the technique is anywhere near the right spot, I'll tap out long before I get actual tissue damage/bruising. Most of my aikido-related bruises have been small ones on the underside of my upper arm (from misplaced grabs) and a few random ukemi-related bruises on the feet and legs. Even so, there was a while there when people thought I looked pretty beat up (around 2-3 years into practice, when I was training 6 days a week).
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Old 08-25-2006, 03:11 PM   #9
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Re: I have just been asked ... ...

The more important question here, IMHO, is whether yonkyo gives you wrist hair.
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Old 08-25-2006, 11:47 PM   #10
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Re: I have just been asked ... ...

Quote:
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I'm yonkyo imune.

Both a gift and a curse.
Not the way I do it. Not that I couldn't fail or you couldn't resist or something. It's just that I never understood all that diddling around trying to get the precise grip that tweaks the nerve. It seems to me the biomechanical aspects of the technique are much more valuable. Grab someone's forearm like a sword in roughly the right way and do a strong fishing pole casting motion with a sword cut follow through and their torso will follow. As I recall, many people have found the way it torques their arm and slams their torso prostrate into the mat more unpleasant than a nerve pain and I get asked to tone it down, even when I don't really feel like I'm cranking hard. To me, it's a great leverage manuever almost as good as ikkyo, whereas fiddling around to get some hard-to-find nerve pressure point is more in the realm of the abstruse and impractical.

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Old 08-26-2006, 07:41 AM   #11
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Re: I have just been asked ... ...

That's fair play. Though don't be surprised if they way people "slam their torsos into the mat" has something to do with the pain they're getting in their wrist.
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Old 08-26-2006, 11:15 AM   #12
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Re: I have just been asked ... ...

Actually, I know it's not that, because it's very hard for me to find the nerve, and I can feel what's happening. It's just balance, leverage, and cutting power/body strength. I think the main caveat may be effectiveness on much bigger, stronger ukes. I don't run into that many, but I suspect it wouldn't work so well if their forearms were too huge for me to get a good grip on, or their upper body was really massive.
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Old 08-26-2006, 08:33 PM   #13
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Re: I have just been asked ... ...

I have seen Kato Sensei do yonkyo in the same manner you are describing...it works really well and as a bonus seems to place the pressure point just beneath his knuckle too.
A young man training with us today was one of the "immune" but said that at the seminar Kato dropped the pressure right into place ....
He doesn't seem to focus much on the nerve target.

Lan (my wrists are sore)

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Old 08-26-2006, 08:48 PM   #14
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Re: I have just been asked ... ...

I don't have the yonkyo pressure point. My sensei once spent about 10 minutes testing it out. Heh. THAT was a big bruise. And I had a parent/teacher conference the next day. Long sleeves. <grin> But nope, no point to speak of.

BUT he does NOT need that "spot". He has absolutely no trouble getting me down on the mat. It's all in the hips. I hate it when nage is fumbling around for the spot. Because it's futile and unnecessary. AND then Sensei comes over, says, "Forget about it with Karen, she doesn't feel it...." then he slams me repeatedly into the mat. To prove the point. Bah.

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