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Old 08-09-2001, 07:11 AM   #1
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Kneeling techniques

For kneeling techniques, when you enter into seiza, with what stance (right or left) do you enter when doing a left stance technique? For instance, when you do front strike 1st control pin #1 standing, which is a mutual stance technique, both shite and uke are either in right or left stance. In this case, when you do the left side during the kneeling version of the technique, how do you enter into seiza? For #2, opposite stance (shite left stance, uke right stance, or vice versa), how does the person in left stance enter?

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Old 08-09-2001, 07:27 AM   #2
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"shite"?
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Old 08-09-2001, 08:43 AM   #3
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Ta Kung

"shite"?
I believe it is a derogatory reference to nage.

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is difficult to describe," Mencius replied. -- Mencius IIA2

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Old 08-09-2001, 09:02 AM   #4
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I never thought about it that way.

It's a pre-war Aikido word for Nage or Tori (pronounced like Sean Connery saying "stay"). Shite does all the shaking and stirring!

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Old 08-09-2001, 11:20 PM   #5
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why do you fight on your knees?? To beg for the fight's winning???? You should be standing like a man who wants to win the fight (or a woman).

Get up please
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Old 08-09-2001, 11:32 PM   #6
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Ever visited real life, Stuart?
In real life, sometimes you sit down... right? And should someone attack you at that time, are you to say "Wait, I need to stand up or I'll have to use "sloppy" techniques."?

You know, there are boards on the net which are meant to discuss other arts then Aikido. And there are also boards meant to discuss EVERY martial art. So, in the words of Colleen Annes (the one who doesn't approve of biting ); What are you looking for? Can we help you find it?

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Old 08-10-2001, 12:12 AM   #7
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Ever visited real life, Stuart?
In real life, sometimes you sit down... right? And should someone attack you at that time, are you to say "Wait, I need to stand up or I'll have to use "sloppy" techniques."?

You know, there are boards on the net which are meant to discuss other arts then Aikido. And there are also boards meant to discuss EVERY martial art. So, in the words of Colleen Annes (the one who doesn't approve of biting ); What are you looking for? Can we help you find it?

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Boards dont hit back! you know (Bruce Lee)
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Old 08-10-2001, 12:22 AM   #8
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Boards dont hit back! you know (Bruce Lee)
Yeah, I know. I was refering to "message forums", I'm sorry if my (pathetic) english confused you.

Do you know what else Bruce Lee said? "Kicking towards the face of your opponent is like punching towards his feet"!

And yes, I know he changed his mind after he met Chuck Norris, but only because it looked more spectacular on film. He didn't change his mind about it in real fighting, though. Ever tried Jeet Kune Do?

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Old 08-10-2001, 06:08 AM   #9
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Ever visited real life, Stuart?
In real life, sometimes you sit down... right?
Well, quite like Stuart you have missed the point.

In feudal Japan, Samurai were not allowed to walk upright when they visited someones castle, so they'd be unable to fight. So they learned to fight on their knees.
The principle reason for learning this kind of waza is not in case we find ourselves in feudal Japan, need to visit the shogun, and are worried there'll be a little trouble- we practice Suwari and Hanmihandachi wazas because they strengthen our hips. (And force us to tidy up our technique.) You'll be looking for a long time to find any real life story that starts "So I was minding my own business, sitting in seiza down my local..."

andrew

P.S. Jim- thanks for my favorite pronunciation tip, ever.
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Old 08-10-2001, 06:43 AM   #10
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Boards dont hit back! you know (Bruce Lee)
Interesting. I find Stuarts posts to sound really interesting if you read them aloud in your best/worst Bruce Lee impersonation.
As far as the, er, shite reference.....
I am CRACKING UP trying not to go there.
I've thought of dozens, and I only just read it.
So if nage can translate as 'throw'...

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Old 08-10-2001, 06:45 AM   #11
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You'll be looking for a long time to find any real life story that starts "So I was minding my own business, sitting in seiza down my local
Yeah, I probably did miss the point... I've never practised the techniques in question, beeing new to Aikido and all. I somehow took for granted that you could preform these techniques while sitting down the "normal" way too. You're saying they won't work unless you're sitting in seiza? There is no way to apply them, with little modification, while sitting on a chair? (I do understand that you won't be able to move as freely while sitting on a char).

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Patrik Eng *proving his ignorance*

PS. MJ, I'm Sorry for bringing this "shite" to your attention (not that you didn't know about it before). I've shouldn't have commented on that, but I really didn't know what it was. "Shite" happens, right?

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Old 08-10-2001, 08:19 AM   #12
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Originally posted by mj

Interesting. I find Stuarts posts to sound really interesting if you read them aloud in your best/worst Bruce Lee impersonation.
As far as the, er, shite reference.....
I am CRACKING UP trying not to go there.
I've thought of dozens, and I only just read it.
So if nage can translate as 'throw'...
I keep picturing Sean Connery saying "Shtaay, dogi ... good dogi ... okidoki".

I can just imagine what you're thinking.

Jim23

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Old 08-10-2001, 09:45 PM   #13
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Originally posted by Stuart

Boards dont hit back! you know (Bruce Lee)
I've been...just watching. Stuart? Would your last name happen to be 'Little'?
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Old 08-11-2001, 06:54 AM   #14
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Hi Tartar,
We seem to have lost sight of your question, 'tho by now you've probably asked a sempai or your sensei. Are you asking how do you irimi or move forward from a left hamni stance while seated in seiza? When I get confused in suwariwaza I just think of my lower leg as a foot, so I would step foward with my leading leg (Left) while turning my hips enough to keep my feet together and bring my back (right) leg along with. I think it is easy to forget to bring along the back leg (as we often forget the back foot while standing),and then our balance goes forward and our face hits the mat. Or forget to keep our feet togther so our weight is not centered, we tip back and forth, wave our hands in the air and then our face hits the mat. Or so it is for me.
Stuart, nice to see you haven't left us entirely. I think everyone pretty much covered your question. We train in seiza because it quickly shows us when we are unbalanced, or trying to muscle, or ignoring the power of turning the hips,and so improves our standing technique. They moved like this in feudal Japan for other reasons, but the end result was the same, so we still do it. Do they have anything similar to this in kickboxing? I really don't know much about that art, but it seems like balance would be very important...

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