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Old 06-27-2006, 10:34 PM   #1
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Aikido does not work against dogs!!

BJJ is superior when facing non-human opponents. If you had to fight a dog, aikido would not work because you couldn't grab the dogs wrist as easy due to their height. However, using BJJ, you could easily submit a canine as demonstrated in the following link.

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=28834

Before anyone jumps me, yes this is a joke.
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Old 06-28-2006, 04:47 AM   #2
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Re: Aikido does not work against dogs!!

Goodness! Anti Dog grappling! What'll they think of next???
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Old 06-28-2006, 05:17 AM   #3
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Re: Aikido does not work against dogs!!

Wrong! Gozo Shioda used to practice with his dog.
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Old 06-28-2006, 06:40 AM   #4
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Re: Aikido does not work against dogs!!

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Wrong! Gozo Shioda used to practice with his dog.
yup. Dogs are awesome. Running with dogs is excellant training.
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Old 06-28-2006, 07:18 AM   #5
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Re: Aikido does not work against dogs!!

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Wrong! Gozo Shioda used to practice with his dog.
Did his dog start his own style of Aikido (Aikido Dog).
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Old 06-28-2006, 08:22 AM   #6
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Re: Aikido does not work against dogs!!

I have two dogs and practice with them all the time.

I find that if I lead their minds then Aikido is very effective. The Bichon Shitzu, a dog with much mind, is the perfect foil for an Aikido practitioner, but the Labrador , a wondrous dog with a great temperament and little brain, tends to lead by mass verses grey matter and techniques tend to fail.

I continue to work on the one of " Many Hairs Shedding" but at 12 and a half years of age (the dog's age not mine) hope fades.

Cheers

With apologizes the Lab owners but as they say " to know your lab is to accept your lab for what it really is; the most loyal, affectionate best family dog one can own that has only two brain cells that sometimes communicate and at other times don't "
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Old 06-28-2006, 08:48 AM   #7
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Re: Aikido does not work against dogs!!

Kiai works well on dogs. It stops their barking. Anything more might get the SPCA to come visiting.

Dogs are great.

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Old 06-28-2006, 09:38 AM   #8
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Re: Aikido does not work against dogs!!

Hmmmm.

.........and what of cats?

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Old 06-28-2006, 10:28 AM   #9
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Re: Aikido does not work against dogs!!

I remember a golden lab that used to get so excited he'd run in circles in and out between a group of trees and occationally miss and hit one. Head on.

But other than that, he was a very bright dog.

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Old 06-28-2006, 11:01 AM   #10
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Re: Aikido does not work against dogs!!

Gosh Ron, For a second I thought you were describing he Randori for my last test........

Ruff!




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Old 06-28-2006, 02:26 PM   #11
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Re: Aikido does not work against dogs!!

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Did his dog start his own style of Aikido (Aikido Dog).
Yes he did Visit his dojo, Kuta Kinabalu, East of Java.
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Old 06-28-2006, 02:52 PM   #12
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Re: Aikido does not work against dogs!!

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Gosh Ron, For a second I thought you were describing he Randori for my last test........
I want to see the video.

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Old 06-28-2006, 02:55 PM   #13
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Re: Aikido does not work against dogs!!

Nah, Don, you want to take the ukemi!

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Old 06-28-2006, 03:30 PM   #14
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Re: Aikido does not work against dogs!!

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want to see the video.
- Don Modesto

cruel sir. deeply cruel.

however. i have a copy. i may be able to figure out how to email the data. i certainly do not know how to 'web' it.

it is a randori done by a very wounded old lion, very tired, who, at least, had his wits about him.
grade was 'pass'

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Old 06-28-2006, 10:26 PM   #15
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Re: Aikido does not work against dogs!!

dogs rae great for aikido training. i try to tenkan my dog (uke) when we are playing and tis great fun!
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Old 06-29-2006, 08:07 PM   #16
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Re: Aikido does not work against dogs!!

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Nah, Don, you want to take the ukemi!
Ha! Hoisted on my own petard!

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- Don Modesto

cruel sir. deeply cruel.

however. i have a copy. i may be able to figure out how to email the data. i certainly do not know how to 'web' it.
Failing that, you can show me next time I'm up.

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Old 06-29-2006, 09:17 PM   #17
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Re: Aikido does not work against dogs!!

ANTI-GRAPPLING is when dog start licking your ears and face with it's tongue. Yewl!!!

SHOMEN-ATE (TM), the solution to 90% of aikido and life's problems.
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Old 06-29-2006, 10:59 PM   #18
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Re: Aikido does not work against dogs!!

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If you had to fight a dog, aikido would not work because you couldn't grab the dogs wrist as easy due to their height.
But when would you want to be uke for a dog???

My Sensei told me a few stories of Aikido in "real life" one day I went to visit his dojo before I decided to join in. One of them was about him defending against a dog. He didn't immobilize the dog, but kept throwing it away. He had a knife with him but couldn't draw it cos the dog kept coming with no pause. He said he would have kill it, it was his life or the dog's, and guess which one he chose. At last the dog's owner took control over it. Lucky dog. One second hesitation, knife out.
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Old 06-30-2006, 12:10 AM   #19
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Re: Aikido does not work against dogs!!

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With apologizes the Lab owners but as they say " to know your lab is to accept your lab for what it really is; the most loyal, affectionate best family dog one can own that has only two brain cells that sometimes communicate and at other times don't "
I had a lab once. He was nuts, but he wasn't exactly stupid. He was just completely hyper. Maybe if we lived on a farm where he could run and run and run he would have been calmer, but as it was he was so wound up that unless I managed to tire us both out with several hours of bushwhacking he showed no sign of intelligence whatsoever.

I never saw him run into a tree though.
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Old 06-30-2006, 02:42 PM   #20
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Re: Aikido does not work against dogs!!

Gozo Shioda trained with dogs to study their movements. He did the same thing with goldfish!
I have practiced irimi/tenkan movements with a billy goat, but there is no special technique; the only words that come to mind are: "Look Out!"
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Old 06-30-2006, 07:18 PM   #21
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Re: Aikido does not work against dogs!!

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Hmmmm.

.........and what of cats?

dave
In my experience they rarely attack first until you really get in there and they feel super-threatened (as in you attacked first) so I don't think it would work as well.

Unless of course you mean a lion, tiger, or other large cat
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Old 06-30-2006, 07:22 PM   #22
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If you had to fight a dog, aikido would not work because you couldn't grab the dogs wrist as easy due to their height.
*slaps self in head*

I just realized the major error which would contradict all naysayer.

Aikido is not about just the wrists and it is certainly not about grabbing at unavailable wrists. Of course this is just a joke but even if you can't use "dojo techniques" you can certainly use applications of both techniques and even just major principles
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Old 07-02-2006, 04:22 PM   #23
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Re: Aikido does not work against dogs!!

do dogs even have "wrists?"

Dance your cares away .... worry for another day ... let the music play .... down in fraggle rock!

when bored ... do as I do. Poke a patient!
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Old 07-03-2006, 10:04 AM   #24
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Re: Aikido does not work against dogs!!

Hmm.

Jujitsu? If you are ever on your back with the dog bearing down on your tender throat - find the place
under the dog's ears behind their jaw and dig in your fingers hard as you can. Hurts.

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Old 07-03-2006, 10:15 AM   #25
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Hmm.

Jujitsu? If you are ever on your back with the dog bearing down on your tender throat - find the place
slightly in front of the dog's ear, parallel to the ear canal, and rub. They love this and will stop whatever they are doing.
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