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Old 03-18-2009, 03:00 AM   #1
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Question Kotegaeshi Ukemi

A short question here; when you do Kotegaeshi do you:
a) cross your legs over when you fall
b) spread your legs when you fall

I am just asking for opinions and I have a presentation on April 5th

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Old 03-18-2009, 03:11 AM   #2
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Re: Kotegaeshi Ukemi

If you're male, crossing your legs during a breakfall could have painful consequences. I did it once many years ago. Never again.
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Old 03-18-2009, 03:23 AM   #3
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Re: Kotegaeshi Ukemi

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If you're male, crossing your legs during a breakfall could have painful consequences. I did it once many years ago. Never again.
Koan: What is the sound of two gonads clapping?

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Old 03-18-2009, 03:32 AM   #4
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Re: Kotegaeshi Ukemi

Well yes I am male, but my legs go that way naturally and i know it can leave painful consequences, but i want to go the spread any tips?

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Old 03-18-2009, 04:00 AM   #5
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Spread? Really? Ok.
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Old 03-18-2009, 04:02 AM   #6
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Re: Kotegaeshi Ukemi

Yes really

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Old 03-18-2009, 04:02 AM   #7
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Re: Kotegaeshi Ukemi

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Koan: What is the sound of two gonads clapping?
Answer: ##@#%!^&#^#*~****(~())*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 03-18-2009, 04:05 AM   #8
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Yes really
Because I would very much prefer my gonads to be safe against the following kick. Maybe it's just me .
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Old 03-18-2009, 04:06 AM   #9
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Re: Kotegaeshi Ukemi

I am talking about ukemi not a street fight

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Old 03-18-2009, 04:11 AM   #10
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I am talking about ukemi not a street fight
Sorry to give you the impression that I'm a street fighter. Just a budoka training Budo.

If you don't like other opinions, don't ask in the first place. Just a little advice.
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Old 03-18-2009, 04:13 AM   #11
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Re: Kotegaeshi Ukemi

I asked if it would be better with spread legs or crossed legs so any tips

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Old 03-18-2009, 04:25 AM   #12
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Re: Kotegaeshi Ukemi

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I asked if it would be better with spread legs or crossed legs so any tips
And then when answered "crossed legs" you call my training street fighting. I guess you don't need any tip in that sense then. So I'll let the others speak. What do I know anyway?

Good luck with the presentation.
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Old 03-18-2009, 04:30 AM   #13
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Re: Kotegaeshi Ukemi

I didnt get it that way. Sorry, but could you define why crossed.
Thanks

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Old 03-18-2009, 04:44 AM   #14
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Let's define our terms. What do you mean by "spread legs"? Knees separated by a 90 degree angle, one knee pointing straight up and the other thigh flat on the ground? Or both knees spread much more than 90 degrees apart, both much closer to the ground? If it's the second, then I understand Alejandro's concern about gonad safety, particularly if tori decides to go to newaza on you.

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Old 03-18-2009, 05:00 AM   #15
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Re: Kotegaeshi Ukemi

I mean when you fall assuming someone throws you with a right handed kotegaeshi in your right hand you:

a) Your left leg hits the mat first and the right leg hits by crossing your left legs and hitting on the left of your left leg with the knees down.

b) Same as above but your right leg hits on your right side; doesnt necessarily mean that the knee is up

Hope you understanded.

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Old 03-18-2009, 06:57 AM   #16
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Thanks for the clarification. For me is neither a) or b). As I do it, my left leg hits the mat first and the right foot hits by crossing my left leg and hitting on the left of my left leg with the knee up.

In this way I protect the family jewels, help softening the impact with the mat (ground) and sets me ready for a quick stand up (or kneel down) in kamae.

Hope this clarifies my view further.

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Old 03-18-2009, 09:51 AM   #17
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Re: Kotegaeshi Ukemi

I would relax and take the fall that feels best for me.

This thread has been good for a laugh though...and I haven't heard the word "gonads" in a long time!! HA!

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Old 03-18-2009, 12:12 PM   #18
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Re: Kotegaeshi Ukemi

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Koan: What is the sound of two gonads clapping?
DONG DONG DONG

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Old 03-18-2009, 02:08 PM   #19
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Re: Kotegaeshi Ukemi

It sounds like you are a bit new to breakfalls. If that's the case, you might want to practice them more before doing them in the excitement of a demo. Two other options - turn and take a back fall, or take a forward roll. If you want to take a forward roll, your partner does need to let go of your hand so you would want to make sure you're both on the same page. A back fall can be awkward if your partner is really intent on throwing you for a breakfall so again, you'd need to talk about it in advance.

And if you're feeling bouncy, then do those breakfalls - just don't let those knees come together!

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Old 03-18-2009, 04:27 PM   #20
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Re: Kotegaeshi Ukemi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4_vGRQNeqo
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Old 03-18-2009, 08:07 PM   #21
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Re: Kotegaeshi Ukemi

Or you can just tell nage to go a bit slower and, instead of doing a break-fall, kneel and roll. Not as flashy though.

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Old 03-18-2009, 10:41 PM   #22
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Re: Kotegaeshi Ukemi

Keeping your legs out wide is not only important for your landing, but equally important while your in the air... Keeping them wide slows your momentum down as you fall, making for a MUCH softer landing, and yes, definitely protecting the family jewels AND your knees from clacking together (believe me, I've done both and neither of those outcomes are fun). True, you have the argument that being out wide after the landing is dangerous, because you risk getting kicked, etc. in the special spot, but taking a safe fall is more important in my opinion. (Keep in mind that most of the time break falls are used more for show then for practicality, so there are other ways to protect yourself using ukemi).

What are your thoughts on all that?
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Old 03-18-2009, 11:55 PM   #23
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Re: Kotegaeshi Ukemi

I was originally taught to land similar to the youtube video that was posted with the exception of relaxing the straight leg a little and adding a slight bend in the knee. Afterwards I have found that if I land with about a 90 degree bend in that knee and tuck it under the upright knee it makes it easier and faster for me to stand up. It puts you in the same orientation as a normal forward roll. Let me know what you think.

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Old 03-19-2009, 12:05 AM   #24
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Re: Kotegaeshi Ukemi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5krUJwGZF2c

It looks similar to this guy's ukemi

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Old 03-19-2009, 01:57 AM   #25
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A short question here; when you do Kotegaeshi do you:
a) cross your legs over when you fall
b) spread your legs when you fall
Do you mean when you throw yourself over your own hand?
I'm asking because I've always just hit the ground with my shoulder and my legs just followed along (not over) without momentum, not caring whether they crossed or spread ... the legs issue only arises (in my imagination) when a self-propelled UKEMI is constructed.
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