Welcome to AikiWeb Aikido Information
AikiWeb: The Source for Aikido Information
AikiWeb's principal purpose is to serve the Internet community as a repository and dissemination point for aikido information.

Sections
home
aikido articles
columns

Discussions
forums
aikiblogs

Databases
dojo search
seminars
image gallery
supplies
links directory

Reviews
book reviews
video reviews
dvd reviews
equip. reviews

News
submit
archive

Miscellaneous
newsletter
rss feeds
polls
about

Follow us on



Home > AikiWeb Aikido Forums
Go Back   AikiWeb Aikido Forums > General

Hello and thank you for visiting AikiWeb, the world's most active online Aikido community! This site is home to over 22,000 aikido practitioners from around the world and covers a wide range of aikido topics including techniques, philosophy, history, humor, beginner issues, the marketplace, and more.

If you wish to join in the discussions or use the other advanced features available, you will need to register first. Registration is absolutely free and takes only a few minutes to complete so sign up today!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 06-22-2006, 09:41 PM   #26
NagaBaba
 
NagaBaba's Avatar
Location: Wild, deep, deadly North
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 1,122
Offline
Re: Pain in aikido?

There is old saying from Shingen Buddism, Himalaya:

Everything that doesnt kill you, will reinforce you.

Not for nothing O sensei practiced exercises from Shingen Buddism.

Nagababa

ask for divine protection Ame no Murakumo Kuki Samuhara no Ryuo
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2006, 09:48 PM   #27
hapkidoike
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 51
Offline
Re: Pain in aikido?

they hijacked it from my man Friedrich Nietzsche.
"Was mich nicht umbringt, macht mich stärker" (That which does not kill me, makes me stronger) - Nietzsche <The Twilight of the Idols, 1899>
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2006, 09:54 PM   #28
Karen Wolek
Dojo: Kingston Aikido
Location: New York
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 322
United_States
Offline
Re: Pain in aikido?

Or my bumper sticker that says:

What doesn't kill me will only require brief hospitalization.


Karen
"Try not. Do...or do not. There is no try." - Master Yoda
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-22-2006, 10:13 PM   #29
dps
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,120
Offline
Re: Pain in aikido?

Quote:
Szczepan Janczuk wrote:
There is old saying from Shingen Buddism, Himalaya:

Everything that doesnt kill you, will reinforce you.

Not for nothing O sensei practiced exercises from Shingen Buddism.
Do you mean Shingon Buddhism? Could not find a Shingen Buddhism.
Shingon Buddhism is an Japanese esoteric form of Buddhism. O'Sensei study Shingon Buddhism in his early years.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2006, 07:21 AM   #30
DonMagee
Location: Indiana
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,311
United_States
Offline
Re: Pain in aikido?

I was actually thinking about the pain vs discomfort thing last night. A few says ago I was working with a guy in bjj. He was trying to drive his forarm into my throat as a crude attempt at a choke. I was calm and worked my position and caught him in an armbar. Afterwards he asked me "Didnt' that hurt?". My response was "Yea, it was actually very painful, but I knew I wasn't in any danger of getting hurt by it.".

That got me thinking. New people tap to pain. Experianced people learn to listen to their bodies and learn the difference between pain and damage. There are positions that just plain hurt, and those which are going to hurt you. Another example would be an attempted rear nakid choke done on me last week. It wasn't sunk deeply enough and I was in no danger of actually getting choked. While I was working my defense my partner (Who seems to think sparing is competition) slid his arm up and tried to choke out my nose and mouth. His goal was to apply enough pain to get me to tap vs choking me. There was a significate amount of pain, but I knew he wasn't in position to break my nose and he wasn't twisting in a way that was dangerous to my jaw. So I just kept fighting it half heartedly until he gassed from using all his muscle to 'choke my face'. Then I turned into him and got the tap. It was a huge amount of pain (the insides of my lips were cut and it sucked to eat that night), but I knew there was no danger so it was easy to push though. When I was just starting out I would of tapped 2 or 3 seconds into that 'choke'.

- Don
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough" - Albert Einstein
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2006, 07:30 AM   #31
Ron Tisdale
Dojo: Doshinkan dojo in Roxborough, Pa
Location: Phila. Pa
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 4,614
United_States
Offline
Re: Pain in aikido?

Deleted

Ron Tisdale
-----------------------
"The higher a monkey climbs, the more you see of his behind."
St. Bonaventure (ca. 1221-1274)
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2006, 08:37 AM   #32
Dazzler
Dojo: Templegate Dojo, bristol & Bristol North Aikido Dojo
Location: Bristol
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 638
England
Offline
Re: Pain in aikido?

Quote:
Don Magee wrote:
IThere was a significate amount of pain, but I knew he wasn't in position to break my nose and he wasn't twisting in a way that was dangerous to my jaw. So I just kept fighting it half heartedly until he gassed from using all his muscle to 'choke my face'. Then I turned into him and got the tap. It was a huge amount of pain (the insides of my lips were cut and it sucked to eat that night), but I knew there was no danger so it was easy to push though. When I was just starting out I would of tapped 2 or 3 seconds into that 'choke'.
I've experienced very similar thing when training in a jujitsu dojo while working away from home.

The pain from the ulcers that set in to my cut mouth in the next couple of days was far worse than anything at the time.

In a dojo situation I'll definitely tap next time...it just wasn't worth the pain every time I ate anything with salt in in it.

Different if its not the dojo of course.

But your right , experience enable you to recognise the difference between unpleasantness or dangerous.

Regds

D

Last edited by Dazzler : 06-23-2006 at 08:40 AM.
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-23-2006, 09:07 AM   #33
DonMagee
Location: Indiana
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1,311
United_States
Offline
Re: Pain in aikido?

I would normally just tap. But in this case I was trying to make a point to my partner that using 'jerk' moves wont cut it in competition against someone who knows whats going on. Sadly, he still hasn't learned that slams, face chokes, and other crappy techniques just dont work in competition.

- Don
"If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough" - Albert Einstein
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2009, 02:58 PM   #34
Dirk Hünniger
Dojo: Alpen/Moers
Location: Neukirchen-Vluyn/NRW
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 11
Germany
Offline
Re: Pain in aikido?

endorphine addiction
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-17-2009, 12:45 AM   #35
Sonja2012
 
Sonja2012's Avatar
Dojo: Aikido Verein Esslingen
Location: Stuttgart
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 192
Germany
Offline
Re: Pain in aikido?

After not having been active on Aikiweb for probably more than two years I came back to this thread today since Dirk wrote me a quick mail in regards to the issue of pain in aikido practice. And to my own amazement I found that my idea of what aikido practice should be and of how pain fits in with that idea has changed completely Funny.
  Reply With Quote

Please visit our sponsor:

AikiWeb Sponsored Links - Place your Aikido link here for only $10!



Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Instructor got mad because I didnt fall actoman Training 192 05-02-2012 02:55 AM
Watch Out for Aikido 'Shihans'.......... Man of Aiki General 74 02-24-2009 08:37 AM
Baseline skillset eyrie Non-Aikido Martial Traditions 1633 05-23-2008 01:35 PM
For Ted Ehara - Boundary of your aikido? billybob General 123 12-18-2006 04:52 AM
Omoto-kyo Theology senshincenter Spiritual 77 12-04-2005 09:50 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:23 AM.



vBulletin Copyright © 2000-2014 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited
----------
Copyright 1997-2014 AikiWeb and its Authors, All Rights Reserved.
----------
For questions and comments about this website:
Send E-mail
plainlaid-picaresque outchasing-protistan explicantia-altarage seaford-stellionate