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Old 06-02-2006, 01:49 AM   #26
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Re: Do you practice TohoIai ?

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He does Shomenuchi. I cut him from angle position.
Hi Hattori - thank you very much ,for the last three years at seminars I have been trying to get clear about this , Arisue sensei has instructed me ,but he doesn't speak English so i didn't understand.

Also do you cut him from the top of his head (shomen giri)
as the cut is straight down ?
and where on the blade do you make contact ?


- By the way have you cut something by real sword ? -

No, not yet - there are no tameshigiri in our dojo.
I may have to do some research to get the opportunity.
And also I will need my sensei's advice - this I will not do If he doesn't think I'm ready.
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Old 06-02-2006, 05:22 AM   #27
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Hi

With regards to lineage... it's true that aiki-toho starts with Nishio sensei, though of course he has been greatly influenced by his own experience with traditional iai-schools. At the danishi aikikai homepage there is a list of all the toho-katas and it also points out from which school of iai the chiburi movement originates. Look here: http://www.aikikai.dk/pensum_toho.htm

On top of this it is mentioned that Nishio sensei often teached the mentioned five katas from Zen Nippon Iaido Renmei Toho, so his idea with Aiki-toho is obviously not completely separated from 'regular' iai-practice.

In my opinion a very important similarity between Aiki-toho and the aikido of Nishio sensei is the context of the movements. In both systems the technique is not performed as a reaction to an attack. They should help develop the ability to anticipate the situation and move from normal walking into the right position where tori is safe and able to cut uke. Irimi and the principle of iai are not that far apart in my opinion.

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Old 06-02-2006, 08:01 AM   #28
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. They should help develop the ability to anticipate the situation and move from normal walking into the right position where tori is safe and able to cut uke. Irimi and the principle of iai are not that far apart in my opinion.

- Jørgen Jakob
Hi Jorgen san,
I know the Iai that when someone cut me,I am not standing of his way and get out of his way.
Of course I learned Seitei,as you know Seitei is diffrent from what you mean.

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Old 06-02-2006, 08:12 AM   #29
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Also do you cut him from the top of his head (shomen giri)
as the cut is straight down ?
and where on the blade do you make contact ?

In TohoIai there are two ukenagashi.
One is in Ukenagashi Ikkyo,the other is in Sanpogiri.
Not lean as Ukenagahi,however this is one of Ukenagasgi, then you cut him from the top of his head as you say.
Nishio sensei once suggested me to visit Denmark to teach TohoIai together with him,however I couldn't for my buisiness.
By the way I worked for 10 years under nice Danish guy from Arlborg.Still we are friend.

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Old 06-08-2006, 05:49 PM   #30
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Hi,
Now I am planning how to enjoy at below Aikido camp in 7-9 July 2006.
http://www.aikidofederation.com/news012.htm
From this thread , I would like to teach Sankyo and Shihonage against Shomenuchi.
Sounds good.
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Old 06-14-2006, 06:43 PM   #31
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Last Monday we practiced Tekubi-Osae of TohoIai.Then enjoyed Shomenuchi -Nikyo.
We often mix introduction of Sanpogiri and TekubiOsae for ShomenUchi Nikyo.
http://www.geocities.jp/yokosuka111/Tohoiai.html
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Old 06-15-2006, 02:56 AM   #32
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Takao san

Thank you for your reply. On second thought I think you are right that seitei iai is different with regards to irimi. At least some seitei kata are about cutting faster than the opponent - not about getting out of the way. Unfortunately I don't know any other iai-styles. Can you tell me what it is like in for example Muso shinden ryo?

The Singapore camp is in a bad time for me, so not this time. However I think you should come to Denmark too if your business permits it. Otherwise we just have to come to you. Where exactly in Japan is Yokosuka? I was in Tokyo, kyoto, Hakone, Odawara, Yokohama and shiga province last year. It was fun.

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Old 06-15-2006, 04:39 AM   #33
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Takao san

Thank you for your reply. On second thought I think you are right that seitei iai is different with regards to irimi. At least some seitei kata are about cutting faster than the opponent - not about getting out of the way. Unfortunately I don't know any other iai-styles. Can you tell me what it is like in for example Muso shinden ryo?

The Singapore camp is in a bad time for me, so not this time. However I think you should come to Denmark too if your business permits it. Otherwise we just have to come to you. Where exactly in Japan is Yokosuka? I was in Tokyo, kyoto, Hakone, Odawara, Yokohama and shiga province last year. It was fun.
 Hi ,Yokosuka is next city of Yokohama,where we proud that Yokosuka is for NAVY.
This city is so different from other cities in Japan.
We live in together with American.
I would like to visit Denmark soon to your city.

I believe Nishio sensei's Aikido is influenced by Arakiryu Iai.
Typical one is TsukaOsae.
This come from Tsukadome of ArakiRyu.
And most interesting movement is TateKen of ArakiRyu.
I could not find this philosophy in Musoshinden such as giving a way for opponent.

By the way last Sunday we visited Iwama.
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Old 06-27-2006, 06:24 PM   #34
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Next week 7-9 July Aikido seminar will be held in Singapore.This time It will be practiced, how Sanpogiri of Toho-Iai to be utilized to do Tachidori of Shomenuchi-Shihonage and Shomenuchi-Sankyo. Let's enjoy Aikido with Toho-Iai.
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Old 06-28-2006, 02:10 AM   #35
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Takao san

Hello again. That is interesting. I was i Yokohama a few days last year in september. I am sorry I didn't know about you then. I could have visited your dojo for som aiki-toho :-)

I also went to Kyoto, Tokyo, Odawara, Hakone and to a seminar near Lake Biwa.

Maybe next time I go to Japan....

I don't know Arakiryu iai or the movement TateKen. Could you explain it?

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Old 07-16-2006, 05:41 PM   #36
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Takao san

Hello again. That is interesting. I was i Yokohama a few days last year in september. I am sorry I didn't know about you then. I could have visited your dojo for som aiki-toho :-)

I also went to Kyoto, Tokyo, Odawara, Hakone and to a seminar near Lake Biwa.

Maybe next time I go to Japan....

I don't know Arakiryu iai or the movement TateKen. Could you explain it?

Sincerely

- JJ
Sorry for late reply.
I enjoyed Aikido in Sin on 5-9 July as NEWS in http://www.geocities.jp/yokosuka111/

When You see Tateken ,it looks simple.
Similar to Ikkyo Ukenagashi ,however ,different.
Anyhow ,if you practice Toho-iai ,then you will do same movement.

As far as I know,I do not get out of his way In Muso shinden- ryu.
On the other hand I get out of his way in Araki-tyu and Toho-iai.

Tsukaosae of Toho-iai is from Tsukadome of Araki-ryu.
Appearance of waza is different.

Toho -iai is for Aikido.
It is important how we can utilize movements of Toho-iai in Aikido.
regards Takao Hattori ,Shunyoukai,Yokosuka
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Old 07-16-2006, 09:15 PM   #37
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Hi Hattori Sensei,

Do you know Yasuhiko Takemori Sensei? Does he practice aiki-toho iai? All I know is that he was a student of Nishio Sensei. Any information on Takemori Sensei will be highly appreciated.

He is coming to the Philippines for an aikido seminar and I am looking forward to it.

Thanks!

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Old 07-17-2006, 03:36 AM   #38
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Found through Google:

http://www.adp-i.cz/tanaka/cv_takemori.html

"Yasuhiko Takemori (1952) 7. dan aikido (2005), 7. dan iaido (Zen Koku Iaido Renmei), was the prime uke of Nishio sensei during the period when the latter developed his own, distinctive form of aikido. He was also asked to be the personal uke of the late doshu, Kisshomaru Ueshiba, but eventually chosed to follow Nishio sensei. Since 1997 regularly having seminars in Swedish Uppsala, in 2003 in St Petersburg. "
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Old 07-17-2006, 09:23 PM   #39
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Hi Cito,

Did your group organize the trip of Takemori Sensei? How's the UK? Thanks!


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Old 08-01-2006, 06:34 PM   #40
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Hello, I will be in Frankfurt Germany in Nov and Dec 2006.
If you like to see me, please contact me from below website in advance.
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Old 08-02-2006, 06:46 AM   #41
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If you like to see me, please contact me from below website in advance.
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Takao San

That is interesting. What will you do for two months? Teach aikido and Toho-iai the whole time or will you have time for some vacation too?

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Old 08-02-2006, 04:19 PM   #42
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That is interesting. What will you do for two months? Teach aikido and Toho-iai the whole time or will you have time for some vacation too?

Sincerely

- Joergen Jakob
For business trip.
I will be free after 1700 , in weekend and for some vacation.
best regards
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Old 08-12-2006, 02:41 AM   #43
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Are there someone who are interested in TohoIai in Slovakia ?

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Old 09-10-2006, 07:59 PM   #44
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I will be in Frankfurt,Germany in Oct and Nov.
Are there someone who are interested in Nishio style Aikido ?
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