Welcome to AikiWeb Aikido Information
AikiWeb: The Source for Aikido Information
AikiWeb's principal purpose is to serve the Internet community as a repository and dissemination point for aikido information.

Sections
home
aikido articles
columns

Discussions
forums
aikiblogs

Databases
dojo search
seminars
image gallery
supplies
links directory

Reviews
book reviews
video reviews
dvd reviews
equip. reviews

News
submit
archive

Miscellaneous
newsletter
rss feeds
polls
about

Follow us on



Home > AikiWeb Aikido Forums
Go Back   AikiWeb Aikido Forums > Introductions

Hello and thank you for visiting AikiWeb, the world's most active online Aikido community! This site is home to over 22,000 aikido practitioners from around the world and covers a wide range of aikido topics including techniques, philosophy, history, humor, beginner issues, the marketplace, and more.

If you wish to join in the discussions or use the other advanced features available, you will need to register first. Registration is absolutely free and takes only a few minutes to complete so sign up today!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 05-16-2006, 04:24 PM   #1
graham
 
graham's Avatar
Dojo: Northampton Ki Aikido Club
Location: Northampton
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 134
United Kingdom
Offline
Hi folks - from a newbie in the UK

Hi everyone,

I've made the decision to start learning Aikido and was very pleased to find this forum. I read through a couple of good threads where someone was saying something like, "Can you win fights with Aikido?" and the responses were often, "No. But you might learn how to live peacefully."

It's exciting to see that there are people out there who live this stuff.

(At some point, I'll post about my concerns learning Aikido at my age and in my physical state, but I wanted to pop in first and say Hi.)
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2006, 04:36 PM   #2
gary james
 
gary james's Avatar
Dojo: ASU
Location: florida
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 11
United_States
Offline
Re: Hi folks - from a newbie in the UK

Welcome , Graham
Glad your here!
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2006, 04:52 PM   #3
akiy
 
akiy's Avatar
Join Date: Jun 2000
Posts: 5,934
Offline
Re: Hi folks - from a newbie in the UK

Hi Graham,

Welcome to AikiWeb.

-- Jun

Please help support AikiWeb -- become an AikiWeb Contributing Member!
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-16-2006, 06:46 PM   #4
siwilson
Dojo: Kenshinkai Yoshinkan Aikido
Location: Portsmouth
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 450
England
Offline
Re: Hi folks - from a newbie in the UK

Quote:
Graham Old wrote:
I read through a couple of good threads where someone was saying something like, "Can you win fights with Aikido?" and the responses were often, "No. But you might learn how to live peacefully."
?????

WHAT?

Don't listen to fruity gay crap like that! Aikido is a highly effective martial art, not a dance (like some schools have become), or a make pretend. Yoshinkan is about applied effective technique.

So the real answer to your question is:

"Can you win fights with Aikido?" and the responses should be, "Yes. If you practice the right Aikido form and follow its teachings."

Kick Arse!!!!!

Osu!
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2006, 08:13 AM   #5
graham
 
graham's Avatar
Dojo: Northampton Ki Aikido Club
Location: Northampton
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 134
United Kingdom
Offline
Re: Hi folks - from a newbie in the UK

Thanks for the welcome.

Si, I probably summarised the threads badly! It was more about saying that Aikido isn't about going round winning fights (ala UFC) - and that if someone was interested in that then Aikido may not be right for them (regardless of whether or not it was up to the task).

I'm probably a bit too fruity gay, but I'm not all that interested in kicking arse. I'll leave that to you!
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2006, 08:17 AM   #6
Mark Freeman
Dojo: Dartington
Location: Devon
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,220
United Kingdom
Offline
Re: Hi folks - from a newbie in the UK

Quote:
Si Wilson wrote:
So the real answer to your question is:

"Can you win fights with Aikido?" and the responses should be, "Yes. If you practice the right Aikido form and follow its teachings."
So Si the right Aikido form is..... the one you do?
and the wrong Aikido form is......what precisely?

regards,

Mark
p.s. Welcome to the forum Graham, the practise here is like the dojo, sometimes soft, sometimes not

Success is having what you want. Happiness is wanting what you have.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2006, 11:15 AM   #7
siwilson
Dojo: Kenshinkai Yoshinkan Aikido
Location: Portsmouth
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 450
England
Offline
Re: Hi folks - from a newbie in the UK

Quote:
Graham Old wrote:
Thanks for the welcome.

Si, I probably summarised the threads badly! It was more about saying that Aikido isn't about going round winning fights (ala UFC) - and that if someone was interested in that then Aikido may not be right for them (regardless of whether or not it was up to the task).

I'm probably a bit too fruity gay, but I'm not all that interested in kicking arse. I'll leave that to you!
Graham,

I was having a bit of a laugh. Maybe needed more smilies in there, so just to make sure......



Aikido has a bad press from some of the ways it is practiced. There has been this whole move in some schools away from teaching someone effective technique and towards making better people. The latter is a commendable goal, but why not do both.

Personally, if my practice was not as an effective martial art then I would not be practicing it. The worry is that there are some schools of Aikido that are not practicing it as an effective martial art.

Mark

I did say "form" not style. I am not in the habbit of rubbishing other schools or getting in to the "mine is better tham yours" cr4p.

An example of bad Aikido happened at a seminar a couple of years ago. There was a black belt (2nd Dan - he made the point of telling me) and we bowed to eachother to meet to practice the technique just shown - Irimi Tsuki (or Shomen Ate as some call it).

I went first, he attacked very lightly, and I entered, palm under his chin and stuck him on the mat. He lept up shouting, "What are you doing? What are you doing? You're not supposed to touch me! You're supposed to show your hand in front of my face and I fall down!" ????? He attacked again - lightly. I entered, palm under his chin and stuck him on the mat. He lept up shouting, "That not Aikido!" and ran off. I said "It is where I come from!"

I didn't pound him, as I met the attach with the measured responce appropriate to his attach. I made sure it was effective though.

If he had shown his hand in front of my face I wouldn't have fallen over, I would have just looked around it and ask him what he was doing! I didn't get the chance though, he was off!

If people are happy with practicing non-effective Aikido, then all power to them for it, but that is not for me. If I felt it didn't work I would g back to Judo, Jujutsu, or Kung Fu, but I feel it does work and that is why I do it.

Osu!
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2006, 01:34 PM   #8
graham
 
graham's Avatar
Dojo: Northampton Ki Aikido Club
Location: Northampton
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 134
United Kingdom
Offline
Re: Hi folks - from a newbie in the UK

Quote:
Aikido has a bad press from some of the ways it is practiced. There has been this whole move in some schools away from teaching someone effective technique and towards making better people. The latter is a commendable goal, but why not do both.
Ah, I get ya. Thanks.

I must admit that as I've visited different forums and looked into which style I'd like to look at the times I've seen people slagging off other styles it's almost always related to this issue. Either the style practices competitions and so isn't real aikido, or it doesn't so it's just nice theory.

Looks like I inadvertently entered a live debate!
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-17-2006, 03:31 PM   #9
siwilson
Dojo: Kenshinkai Yoshinkan Aikido
Location: Portsmouth
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 450
England
Offline
Re: Hi folks - from a newbie in the UK

Quote:
Graham Old wrote:
Ah, I get ya. Thanks.

I must admit that as I've visited different forums and looked into which style I'd like to look at the times I've seen people slagging off other styles it's almost always related to this issue. Either the style practices competitions and so isn't real aikido, or it doesn't so it's just nice theory.

Looks like I inadvertently entered a live debate!
Actually, I have a lot of time for Tomiki Aikido, although I have no interest in competitions. I was talking with Bob Jones (head of Tomiki UK - BAA) and he said that he teaches competition Aikido and then after their competition Aikido career he then teaches them Aikido.

If I didn't do Yoshinkan Aikido, then I would follow Joe Thambu Sensei's wisdom and practice Tomiki Aikido. I have trained some Tomiki Aikido and found it quite complementary to my Shudokan/Yoshinkan background.

I also admire Yamada Sensei, although I am confused as to why his student's Aikido don't look anything like his Aikido!!!???

There is some great stuff out there and some great people, but I know with Yoshinkan that we do not let the students standard be slack.

Osu!
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2006, 02:17 AM   #10
Nick Simpson
Dojo: White Rose Aikido - Durham University
Location: Gateshead
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 916
United Kingdom
Offline
Re: Hi folks - from a newbie in the UK

Quote:
went first, he attacked very lightly, and I entered, palm under his chin and stuck him on the mat. He lept up shouting, "What are you doing? What are you doing? You're not supposed to touch me! You're supposed to show your hand in front of my face and I fall down!" ????? He attacked again - lightly. I entered, palm under his chin and stuck him on the mat. He lept up shouting, "That not Aikido!" and ran off. I said "It is where I come from!"
If I had a pound for everytime I've heard 'thats not aikido'...

Incidentally, I know a bunch of folks who train in that manner, but their not in aikido, thankfully.

They're all screaming about the rock n roll, but I would say that it's getting old. - REFUSED.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2006, 04:00 AM   #11
Mark Freeman
Dojo: Dartington
Location: Devon
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,220
United Kingdom
Offline
Re: Hi folks - from a newbie in the UK

Quote:
Mark

I did say "form" not style. I am not in the habbit of rubbishing other schools or getting in to the "mine is better tham yours" cr4p.
Interesting Si, you say the above, then you go on to say:
Quote:
An example of bad Aikido happened at a seminar a couple of years ago. There was a black belt (2nd Dan - he made the point of telling me) and we bowed to eachother to meet to practice the technique just shown - Irimi Tsuki (or Shomen Ate as some call it).

I went first, he attacked very lightly, and I entered, palm under his chin and stuck him on the mat. He lept up shouting, "What are you doing? What are you doing? You're not supposed to touch me! You're supposed to show your hand in front of my face and I fall down!" ????? He attacked again - lightly. I entered, palm under his chin and stuck him on the mat. He lept up shouting, "That not Aikido!" and ran off. I said "It is where I come from!"

I didn't pound him, as I met the attach with the measured responce appropriate to his attach. I made sure it was effective though.

If he had shown his hand in front of my face I wouldn't have fallen over, I would have just looked around it and ask him what he was doing! I didn't get the chance though, he was off!
So as much as I think you are just pointing out an example of 'bad aikido' you are still falling into the relativity trap.

I too am prone to this, so I'm not just singleing you out

I come from the 'soft' end of the aikido scale and can quote similar examples of 'bad aikido' from the 'hard' boys. So we must be open to the different ways of aikido practice ( which it seems your 2nd Dan partner was not )
This is one of the reasons that my teacher does not encourage cross style training, he says we would just cause too much touble

Cheers
Mark

Success is having what you want. Happiness is wanting what you have.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2006, 06:46 AM   #12
dps
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 2,277
Offline
Re: Hi folks - from a newbie in the UK

Quote:
Graham Old wrote:
Hi everyone,

-- and the responses were often, "No. But you might learn how to live peacefully."
Whether your Aikido is effective in a fight is determined by how the individual uses what is learned. Won't really know until it happens. Whether your Aikido is effective in how you live is determined by how the individual uses what is learned. Won't really know until you try.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2006, 09:26 AM   #13
mickeygelum
 
mickeygelum's Avatar
Dojo: Warren Budokan, Ohio USA
Location: Youngstown, Ohio
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 502
United_States
Offline
Re: Hi folks - from a newbie in the UK

Welcome Graham,

I wish you well in your journey...there are so many diverse opinions as to what Aikido is all about...take none of ours, fore they are forged in whatever form that we as individuals want to portray it...make your own assessment and travel far...personally, my life is more than half over, and I am a professional warrior...the martial arts have kept me safe and allowed me to make it this far...Aikido has made me a better warrior, but has elevated my character to it highest plateau..and it allows me to give back that which I have received.

Go train, tell us what you have learned and discovered....see if it is something we have missed...and then teach us.


Miku-san
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2006, 11:02 AM   #14
Darren
Location: London
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 14
United Kingdom
Offline
Re: Hi folks - from a newbie in the UK

[quote=Si Wilson]If I didn't do Yoshinkan Aikido, then I would follow Joe Thambu Sensei's wisdom and practice Tomiki Aikido. I have trained some Tomiki Aikido and found it quite complementary to my Shudokan/Yoshinkan background.

Joe Thambu teaches Yoshinkan Aikido .
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-18-2006, 12:12 PM   #15
siwilson
Dojo: Kenshinkai Yoshinkan Aikido
Location: Portsmouth
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 450
England
Offline
Re: Hi folks - from a newbie in the UK

Quote:
Darren Kennedy wrote:

Joe Thambu teaches Yoshinkan Aikido .
True, but he said if he didn't do Yoshinkan he would do Tomiki!


Osu!
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-19-2006, 10:22 PM   #16
Lucy Smith
Dojo: Samurai Dojo
Location: Montevideo
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 138
Uruguay
Offline
Re: Hi folks - from a newbie in the UK

Well, I don't know in your countries but here is quite late at night so I'm quite zombie-like

Anyway... sheesh... stop arguing, we all love Aikido don't we? Aren't we supposed to share experiences, learn from each other, and accept our differences?? Blending, that's the word.

And yes we can kick butt!!!



  Reply With Quote

Please visit our sponsor:

AikiWeb Sponsored Links - Place your Aikido link here for only $10!



Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The solution to Aiki Newbie Confusion... Joost Korpel Humor 50 05-10-2015 01:20 PM
Aikido Transmission and Class Size Kevin Leavitt General 30 03-02-2007 09:14 AM
Beginners with delusions of grandeur... Lucky Luke Anonymous 55 07-19-2006 11:17 AM
Aloha Folks (That's a Howdo!) RobertFortune Introductions 1 11-11-2005 08:47 AM
Weapons training leads to good aikido. Tubig Weapons 75 07-13-2005 07:58 AM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:00 PM.



vBulletin Copyright © 2000-2016 Jelsoft Enterprises Limited
----------
Copyright 1997-2016 AikiWeb and its Authors, All Rights Reserved.
----------
For questions and comments about this website:
Send E-mail
plainlaid-picaresque outchasing-protistan explicantia-altarage seaford-stellionate