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Old 06-01-2006, 02:31 PM   #26
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Re: Headlock from the front

Don Magee showed a picture of the hold - i think this is a case where the jujitsu has been softened for competition. sink in the arm and the hold loosens. stand straight up with the guy's head under your belly, either pulling up for the choke, or using one hand and belly/hip to ruin the neck and it's lethal as hell.

Kevin - my crumpled up old arthritic female sensei did blood chokes that had us seeing black in half of one second. i used to could do it meself.

Best advice is to 'not stick your neck out' arr arr.

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Old 06-01-2006, 09:16 PM   #27
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I dont think its been softened for competition. I've seen them done as you have described in competition. I've seen guys go out in as few as 6 seconds. I've seen guys tap frantically to the neck crank pain of the choke too. I threw a guy from a standing armlock once (A variation on this wonderful throw http://www.groundfighter.com/uploads...5%20Kimura.WMV ). He tapped all the way to the ground (unfortuantly do to the nature of the throw we couldn't really seperate until it ended). I thought I broke his arm, but he was ok, just really scared. I dont think its watered down, its just really hard to get the right position when you are struggling against someone resisting against you. Its much easier to work on sinking the choke then the neck crank. Of course if he isnt really defending his neck, its all to easy. And yes the best defense to any technique is to not let them get you in that technique.

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Old 06-02-2006, 06:14 PM   #28
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I soften nothing for competition. We just simply set the rules that allow for a fairly safe environment. that is, we don't "pull" techniques or soften them. If it is too dangerous, we just don't allow it!

Punches, kicks, gouges, etc. twisting knees etc.

We still grind the heck out of bony parts and use pain. I was slamming my fist into a guys jaw a couple of weeks ago when slamming him in the guard. It is not hitting as long as you maintain contact!
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Old 06-03-2006, 07:40 AM   #29
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Kevin,

I have to decry my poor ability to communicate. I wasn't suggesting 'softening' in a pejorative or literal sense. I was referring to exactly what you said 'set rules for safe environment'. Poor word choice on my part.

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And yes the best defense to any technique is to not let them get you in that technique.

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I wholeheartedly agree with this point, especially for this technique!!!

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Old 06-03-2006, 02:19 PM   #30
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Cool...no problem! ya gotta have rules to keep things safe!
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Old 06-03-2006, 04:41 PM   #31
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Last night I was a judge at a local MMA competition. I watched a guy do a really nice escape from the choke in question. He took the guy down and made sure he didn't get his guard, then he just twisted his head out by walking his feet to this guys head. Later he sunk in an awesome spinal lock. It was neat to see the twister done in an enviroment where its not illegal.

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Old 06-03-2006, 06:40 PM   #32
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Don,

sounds like the guy seized the initiative and won, after almost blowing it. any chance of video?

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Old 06-03-2006, 06:43 PM   #33
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I'm trying to get ahold of them now, there were a few guys with camera's in attendance. No promises though but I'll do my best.

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Old 06-04-2006, 01:31 AM   #34
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You know, I have been on aikiweb for years. It is interesting now to see that number of guys we have that have been working MMA come over to aikiweb lately and have started exploring aikido as it applies to MMA. I think it is wonderful and has been handled in a very respectful and appropriate manner!

Just a few comments to let you guys know I am enjoying our threads!

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