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Old 05-02-2006, 05:34 AM   #1
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Can different Aikido Schools crosstrain?

Well, since Aikido is such a big family.

But often different aikido school trainees don't cross-train.

Why?
Or on what condition someone will/can train other school?

Especially if the Aikido community is small and not the most popular of a place.

Hope this is not a double post.
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Old 05-02-2006, 06:13 AM   #2
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Re: Can different Aikido Schools crosstrain?

I studied with Dave Nettles in Denver, he was amazing. My friend, training in different styles can mean a great deal of experience gain, in my point of view. It maybe different to the way I usually train, but the ki is still the point of the matter. It surrounds us, and brings us closer. I'm glad to say I'm never afraid to try anything new. I might not share the same opinion, but certainly I respect all.
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Old 05-02-2006, 02:38 PM   #3
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Re: Can different Aikido Schools crosstrain?

Crosstraining is encouraged by some instructors, and frowned upon by others. My suggestion, which is as much a matter of respect as anything else, is to ask your instructor for his/her opinion on the subject prior to establishing other training relationships. You, of course, have the final say.
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Old 05-02-2006, 03:08 PM   #4
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Re: Can different Aikido Schools crosstrain?

I train primarily at a Ki Society dojo, but for quite a while (too busy now) was making open mats and seminars at an Aikikai dojo. Everyone concerned knew what the situation was and gave permission.

I thought it was really helpful, both in convincing me that some of the odder Ki Society teachings actually do work, and in broadening my safe range of ukemi (there's nothing like a barrage of unfamiliar techniques to really polish those survival-ukemi skills). There was some confusion--I am still trying to unlearn a way of holding my hands when receiving an attack that my sensei doesn't care for--but it didn't seem like a big deal. (I am quite capable of being confused all on my own, anyway.)

I've also dropped in on a wide variety of other dojo when out of town, and never had less than a good experience. A few times the sensei spent a little while prodding me to see if I was there to train or to start a political argument, but when they found I was there to train, they were very hospitable. I've enjoyed getting to see independent, Aikikai, Ki Society and Yoshinkan practicioners in action.

The one thing I would not encourage people to repeat was my first experience with cross-training. Out of embarrasment and uncertainty, I didn't tell my sensei I was doing it. This caused me no problems at home (I eventually did tell her and she gave permission) but when the guest-dojo sensei found out, the situation became uncomfortable as she interpreted it as dissatisfaction with my main dojo, which it was not. Better to be honest right away and up front.

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Old 05-02-2006, 08:00 PM   #5
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Re: Can different Aikido Schools crosstrain?

Our dojo strongly encourages it; If there is a weekend seminar within driving distance (8ish hours) then we post it on our bulletin board no matter what the organizations affiliation.

If you go with the sincere attitude to train and learn then learn you will.

Harmony does not mean that there are no conflicts,
for the dynamic spiral of existence embraces both extremes.
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Old 05-03-2006, 01:56 AM   #6
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Re: Can different Aikido Schools crosstrain?

Cross training is good, however, some instructors arent content to just teach you, they want to tell you and make you believe that their way is THE best...*pinch of salt*.

They're all screaming about the rock n roll, but I would say that it's getting old. - REFUSED.
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Old 05-03-2006, 05:03 AM   #7
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Re: Can different Aikido Schools crosstrain?

Hi Koren,
Quote:
Koren Ko Jen Foo wrote:
Well, since Aikido is such a big family.
Just like in any BIG family, sometime Uncle Ray is not talking to Uncle Ju; dad refuses to have anything to do with Auntie Mille in mum's side of the family; mum is not talking to grandmum, etc.

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But often different aikido school trainees don't cross-train.
We kids do. Of course, we don't disclose to our parents.

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Why?
Or on what condition someone will/can train other school?
Some (but not all) of our parents threaten to disown us if they found out that we have been mixing with the "bad" relatives.

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Especially if the Aikido community is small and not the most popular of a place.
The smaller the community, the BIGGER the differences

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Clark Bateman wrote:
My suggestion, which is as much a matter of respect as anything else, is to ask your instructor for his/her opinion on the subject prior to establishing other training relationships. You, of course, have the final say.
This, IMO, is a very sound advice. But I would think twice about the "final say" part

Best training

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Old 05-05-2006, 03:03 PM   #8
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Re: Can different Aikido Schools crosstrain?

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Hi Koren,

A.Just like in any BIG family, sometime Uncle Ray is not talking to Uncle Ju; dad refuses to have anything to do with Auntie Mille in mum's side of the family; mum is not talking to grandmum, etc.

B.We kids do. Of course, we don't disclose to our parents.

C.Some (but not all) of our parents threaten to disown us if they found out that we have been mixing with the "bad" relatives.

D.The smaller the community, the BIGGER the differences

E.This, IMO, is a very sound advice. But I would think twice about the "final say" part

Best training

David Y
A. Ok, Sure this is a problem. But if both Uncle Ray & Uncle Ju admit both existence and perhaps some non-verbal conversation, I think the children can play around.

B.Mmm...No even sure the parents really want to know. Unless you are something...BIG.

C. My bad. Don't Aikido-ka talk about Harmony? Such an action seems strange to me. It just like whether an apple is edible by red or green color. Besides, C. contradict A. Big Family can't dislodge each other or there will be no family altogether.

D. Well, Yeah. It stands at everywhere, any type martial art school. Just have a look with your Karate friends. Search Goshin-ryu and Isshin-ryu as keyworld.

E. Final Say? I will prefer "my decision entirely with respect of my sensei's reasonable view and acknowledge him beforehand."
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