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Old 04-18-2014, 10:45 AM   #26
Adam Huss
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Re: What is an "advanced technique?"


I don't speak Japanese at all. But my understanding of what kata gatame actually means basically would be accurate for the judo or aikido version of the technique.

I can't think of the terminology right now, but there's at least two techniques that I've encountered in different styles (of martial arts, not just aikido), that are completely different, have the same name, and whose translation makes sense for both. I like to train with all sorts wen I travel and I am just trying to get a grasp on how people do things differently so I can 'fit in' better at dojo I visit, do things their way (very difficult and rewarding to un-program from what you are used to), and understand what the heck they are talking about!

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Old 04-18-2014, 11:24 AM   #27
Dojo: Charlotte Aikikai Agatsu Dojo
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Re: What is an "advanced technique?"

i thought advanced technique is when you throw ki balls at folks which make them wearing funny clothes and speaking bad Japanese.

an even more advanced technique would be getting folks to do the hokey-pokey while wearing funny clothes and saying "osu".

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Old 04-20-2014, 06:31 PM   #28
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Re: What is an "advanced technique?"

I almost totally agree with the original blog's premise and conclusion, nothing magical, i.e. "advanced" is going on, it's just the basic simple thing done at such a high level that it seems like magic -- and thus, as magic, either unattainable or something "special" that must be taught "special."

My only caveat, or difference of opinion, is that I would say that there is a difference between simple and complex techniques, just like there are simple and complex machines. A complex machine can be viewed as a series, or probably more appropriately a 3-dimensional pattern of simple machines, if you follow me.

The same can be said for techniques used in martial arts (our own aikido by brand, or judo, jujitsu, whatever), there are very straightforward techniques, which may be simple, but not easy. And there are complex ones.

But... advanced? Well, in the sense that it might take a long time to learn how do do them "right," so because of that long time, the person has advanced through the ranks (thus, advanced rank people - just nomenclature), then, in that light, maybe their techniques are "advanced."

I'm sure folks are more confused now than when I started, so I'll stop.

I find it interesting that the kanji character for kuzushi illustrates a mountain falling on a house.
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Old 04-23-2014, 10:47 AM   #29
Amir Krause
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Re: What is an "advanced technique?"

I slightly disagree, I do know of "advanced techniques", though a more accurate naming would be "techniques for advanced practitioners": techniques which are actually simpler in nature yet require more accurate timing, better sense of harmony, better control over self, smoother movement etc. in order to succeed with slightly less cooperating partner.

Also know of variants of techniques which are being taught to beginners despite having "inherent weakness"/"holes", but are more safe for practice than the slightly modified "advanced form".

No great secrets here, very simple stuff.

Own experience has shown beginners often find the more complex / multi-stages techniques easier to implemnet, while single touch techniques are more difficult for them.
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